God! what a douchebag i am!!! lol
Just sitting tryiong to analyse where i went wrong last nite with an hb9!
Im pretty much new to the PUA game cos ive never really had major problems with women but its just that i never seem to be getting the girl that i want! Im pretty good at analysing others game but bad at my own, so heres the story from last nite.........

It was the end of the night and me and a couple of mates and a girl were waiting outside a club to get a lift home. I see a hb 9 and her friend hb7 sitting waiting round aswell. Theres a weird guy talking to them (who i later find out has a fetish for women eating food!) so i decide to go over and rescue the poor damzels in distress. I didnt even bother with an opener, just stood next to them, pretended like i over heard their weird conversation and joined in, to which the girls looked relieved!
I created some common ground with the hb9 about this weird guy talking to them and hit her with a couple of negs. I totally took this guy out of the game and got the hb9 to come stand with me, i left the hb7 to be entertained by one of my mates(wingman). Miss hb9 was loving my conversation, i had her laughing her head off with jokes nd funny one liners. -Heres mistake number 1 - she was cold and was shivering standing next to me (what an excuse for some kino!) i jst totally missed the sign and didnt give her a hug. Anyways after some more talking and laughin, her lift came to pick her up, she ran over to the car to see if it was the person who was picking her up (it was unfortunately!) she gave me a wave and smile then got in the car with her friend and went home. I didnt get any kind of close off her (damn!!) but luckily my mate got te hb7's number....
What should i now do to get with the hb9????? (btw i now my game was bad but im still learning!)

have your buddy call the hb7 and set up a date and see if he can get the hb7 to bring the hb9 along for a double date maybe?

Got him working on it, but im not optimistic, his skills are kinda lacking. I hate the feeling off wishing you had only tried something when you had the chance! Gotta be one of the worst feelings in the world!

---update--

So, my mate got the hb7's number and gave her my number to pass onto her friend. Within minutes hb9 was txtin. I got stuck with my game tho, do i try negs and be cocky funny or not. Its hard to convey emotions in txt. Anyways, i made it so she was the one doing the chasing, asking me what i was up to, what i did etc. She even asked what i was doing the next day (today) to which i replyed " depends on what you fancy doing". Anyways, the game seems to be working so far, but wud appreciate any tips with txting, what works well etc.

I'l let you know how this one turns out....

-crowbar

sounds like u did a gud job until closing, keep it up and the closing will become easier and easier.

So I'm also fairly new to this PUA scene, but I've noticed a common trend of guys looking for texting/sexting advice. Since I HATE talking on the phone--I avidly text...ALL THE TIME. Texting is worse than e-mail in the since that its difficult to keep track of WTF you're talking about. So the only thing i would recommend is try to avoid is letting the messages get too confusing.. I Just say whatever as long as its witty... Its just texting and its so easy to recover from any stupid comments so don't sweat it.

--update--

Arranged to meet this saturday in town on a night out. She will be dressed up with her friends, (sexy pirates apparently!). Invited her back to a house party/gathering and seems to be interested! Its looking promising! Maybe my txt game aint too bad after all!

-crowbar

Move in for the kill you said you cant pick up your own mistakes thats a good thing. You shouldnt worry if you are making a mistake the hole thing is a learning process my advice is keep on what your doing and dont try make up for past transgressions. Do how ever make your intentions known coz this story could end with you in the friend-zone

Hmm... another Apollo... there is some kind of copyright infringement, I'm sure... haha. This could make things confusing with posts... Oh well... people can deal... Welcome.

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I guess this post refers to the 'esteem' part of your signature!!

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Haha, I should revise my signature now and put "The Original" at the bottom...

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Yeah I've found myself doing a fair bit of texting recently due to lack of contact with this girl I've been targeting for about a week. I agree with you about being witty and keeping things simple. One thing that I find works particularly well is
1) Metaphor's (Could argue this isn't simple! - almost creates your own little world language...if that doesn't play with her imagination I dunno what does!) Also gives you a way to immediately engage with her on a more personal level when you meet up.

2) Cat & String play. I'm sure most of you are familiar with this from the game, toying with them a bit, pulling them in, throwing them out, and repeat for good measure!! I've posted a little bit of this below. It also let me indicate how interested the girl was!

Let me know your thoughts.

HB (Out of the blue): "hey EnglishAccent! I heard I missed you at lunch! do you have school tomorrow too?"

Me: "Wow HB misses me huh! I shall have to write that one down. Does she miss me enough to meet 2nite?"

HB: ""lol ya im kind of a big deal. um I might be able to do something. what were you thinkin? is there a match (rugby) on?"

Me: "Oh no I cant ACTUALLY meet u! Just wondered how much you missed me! I spose we could meet up another time if ya like?"

HB: "oh I see how it is. Now you're too good for me! : P Thats ok. I'll move on. I'm going to get reacquainted with my laundry instead"

Me: "haha yeah im just up here on the 'EA' pedastal starin down! ;o) ul have to come up and tell me if that laundry plays dirty! maybe we can work summin out!"

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Dude don't be hard on yourself, you did amazing that night. Being able to grab her away and entertain her like that was awesome.

So you learned two major things and I'm sure a bunch more. Kino kino kino! You don't need signs! just do it early and be direct. Try and pay more attention to doing it instead of "letting it happen naturally." If you do it intentionally for a few weeks, it'll eventually become natural for you.

When she got in her ride, you could have said "wait!" and had her come back (motion with hands to come back to you), but I understand how sticky of a situation that was. Good luck with your next encounter/texting game/whatever the hell you did with the HB9. That's kickass man. Just don't show too much interest. Repeat to yourself "Active Disinterest" while you're with her. It's so powerful...

No more of that "I'm such a douchebag" horse shit. You are better than that and you know it. I love beating myself up too because it gives us an outlet to place blame. There's no fucking blame man, you did amazing. She's intrigued even more now because there's the factor that you'll talk/see each other again soon. Go sarge more with your wing later, he's a champ.

--update/conclusion--

so.....
as i was saying, i was due to meet these girls saturday night for a drink and for them to come back to a party. After much confusion and many txt messages being sent between me and my mates and her and her friends, we ended up not meeting. But i wasnt going to let that spoil my night!
In one of the bars we saw 2 hb8's giving off some IOI's so we invited them over to join us, which they obliged. My friend/wingman started chatting to one of them so i kept the other company and tried some game on her. She was the epitome of a cock block! I tried a few different things on her to try and get her to open up, but was unsuccessful. At this point i noticed my friend had his phone out with the other hb8 but soon left her and went to the bar. I was intrigued...
So, i thought instead of wasting time with this lifeless muppet id check something out, i went over to the other hb8 to see if he had got a number close from her. I asked if he got her number, she replied "yeah so that he can give it to you" !!!!
After that you could pretty much say we had a good night and she was totally into me. She ended up back at the party with me and i got a fclose.
The poor pirate girls didnt know what they were missing! lol

So I hope your wing knows that the girl was giving him the number for you.
Otherwise you just stole her from him, which isn't cool.

Just saying that. I don't know all the details of the night, and I'm not assuming anything about you, but good luck!