Asked this hard to get chick out for hot chocolate the day after I # closed, her answer was “why” which I ignored. We texted probably 50 times since. She texted me which bar she was at one tuesday night about 10:15 but I didn’t go. Figured it was to needy & she’d have 3 or 4 other dudes there too as she normally does. She says she doesn’t’ date BTW.

The last text I sent I said something like it’s time for u to drop the act and she never text me back. She's usually at the bar Im at but didn't see her last weekend either, been like 2 weeks.

What u guys think just wait to see her at the bar, which I can do, but there is tons of competition circling her and she has a big front and try to break it down there, . Or go for the day 2 again before I can lose it in the bar and tell her to meet me at the mall to help me pick out some shoes. Hard to reject to that as a date I figure.

Figure Ill try inviting her to help me shop 1st and use the bar as the fall back. At least it would show I was different and I didn’t ask her out last week.

The shopping idea sounds good. Here's an idea: while shopping, head into a movie store or something along those lines. Head in with HB and look around a bit. Now you probably want to think of a few movie options ahead of time. Midway through, pick up your choice and say something along the lines of "wow, haven't seen this in years." Now, you'll want to make sure it's a pretty obscure title that she probably hasn't seen before and something she would be interested in. If she hasn't seen it, hype up the flick a bit more and then invite her back to your place to watch it. If she accepts...well you should be able to handle the kino/... from there. Good luck.

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The shopping idea has its pros and cons which you should deffinetely weigh before you make your decisiion. They can be very situation specific so take this advice and see how your unique circumstance fits best. Pros with doing the shopping thing: low key SPAM, non hostile, can really throw subtle game such as DHVs and building a good conversation base and talking points. Some girls that often get too much attention when they go out need to have something different spark there interest, shift her from regularity. This opportunity allows you to stand out among other guys in the bars because she can see you. Now is where you step in, you need to ascertain which type of tactics would work best: cocky funny, sexual innuendo, or my favorite push pull. Im sure you could derive a game thats most suited to this type of girl, play it by ear, but I think just about every situation can be best suited with proper application of push pull game, ie negging, attention starvation, playing aloof. Ok, now on the con side. There really is only one con I can think of, however great game can overcome this pinch point. That is do NOT allow yourself to fall into "the friend zone". Day dates have a nack for developing friendship based relationships. This meaning yes you will have her attention, but not in the way you want, she will look at you as a "girlfriend" and not potential material. There are ways of avoiding this in the day date situation and they involve the execution of the tactics aforementioned. Best of luck with your endevour.

If the chic is hard to get then I'm not sure why you felt it was too desperate to go meet her at the bar when she texted you with a clear IOI. Hot chics have too many options to be sweating you, the guy. So whenever she gives you a chance you should take it. You don't know, maybe she wanted to show you all of her attention that night or maybe even she wanted to fuck you. Worse case scenario, you show up, and if she doesn't give you the attention you want, you talk to some other bitches.. or just show up with some bitches of your own and introduce her to them. That's how I would have played it.

She's probably not replying to you because she feels hurt and rejected which she is not used to, hence probably her dissaperance from the bar.

The other thing with hot chics.. you have to play on their insecurities, because then that makes them chase you for validation. Think about it, all of the other dudes are kissing her ass for attention so she doesn't respect them. By insulting her you stand out as the MAN. For example, instead of igoring her when she asked you "why?", I would have said playfully (with a smile), "I just told you... hot chocolate.... you're not too bright I see..." or "I just told you... hot chocolate.... I see you forgot to take your ADHD medication today". This is a clear and intentional insult with the intent to make her realize 2 things: 1) Don't talk to me like you talk to those other dudes, because I'm the man, bitch and 2) to eat at the back of her mind, like "damn, I just made this dude think I'm a dumb ass" thereby making her want to prove and validate herself to you in the future, which in order to do so, she now has to chase YOU. Which is why you can't be so eager on chasing HER to come out with you, because after you insult her she's not going to say yes to your invite, but after she declines you and act like she was insulted (which she was) she's going to look for another chance to prove herself to you. All you have to do is act like you don't give a fuck. You're already in with her, so don't sweat it. Go meet some other bitches.