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PostPosted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 3:42 pm 
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Okay, I need some advice on setting up a day two. (keep in mind that I'm very new to the PUA world, and this was my first time consciously trying out material). The night basically went as follows.

The dorm where I live received a bunch of female students. This place is a cucumber farm, so most of the guys were flocking all over every girl they could find. I kept my cool and waited, and found my target later that night. She was an HB8 (by my standards) helping a friend move in. Her, I and several other people were in a group outside talking. I could tell she was uncomfortable with all the guys hawking over her, so I went inside to get a drink an invited her along. We went into the basement lounge where there is a vending machine and talked for a while. She didn't seem to be full of herself, so I only negged her once (nose wiggles when she laughs, I know its overused, but I'm a beginner) and followed with a small compliment (I thought it was cute). After a while a CB (cock-blocker) showed up and interrupted us. We ended up going outside (to look for her sister, whom we found) and sat at a picnic table (CB followed). We talked a little more, I sort of negged her and then canceled it out (laughed about her nose, then gave her the nickname Wiggles because of it, which she really liked). In an attempt to ditch to CB I said I was going to walk around the building and invited her. I lost him and we walked around the building together. I obedience tested her (give me your hand; she did) and I ran Styles ring finger routine. She seemed to bite on it, and we got some decent kino out of it (held her hand for the routine, traced vein from the ring finger to the heart). We ended up in a gazebo with her sister and some other people talking. She was giving off some IOIs (playfully hitting me If I ragged on her, agreeing with everything I said). Her ride asked her to come with her, but she didn't understand they were leaving. So I waited about a minute, then left under the pretense that I was going to bed, and walked past her. I smiled and waved when she looked at me, but kept walking. She opened her arms for a hug, so I gave her a hug and she said she needed to give me her number. She gave me her number and I got a picture of us together, and she, her sister, and her ride left. I called her the next day after school. I got her voicemail, left her a message to call me. She texted me back a few minutes later. The conversation went as such (this is a gisted: not verbatim)

Her:Whats Up?
Me: Nothing, bored. You need to come hang out with me.
Her: Is that a demand? :)
Me: Pretty much. :)
Her: Am I supposed to be flattered by that?
Me: No, but if you are, thats cool too.
Her: Mhm
Me: What does "Mhm" mean?
Her: Its a noise, ask one of your friends to do it for you.
Me: I know its a noise, goof, what does in mean in relation to this conversation.
Her: Haha, I didn't know if you knew what it meant. I just didn't know what to say.
Me: You should probably say something like "Sure *Wildcat78* I'll come hang out with you since you're such an awesome guy.
Her: I can't right now, I'm sorry.
Me: Thats alright, lets just make plans for another time.
Her: Sounds nice
Me: Well, When?
Her: When are you free?
Me: Next couple of days anytime after 2pm.
Her:Ok :)
Me: What, you aren't even going to tell me when?
Her: Well I don't know silly...:)
Me: Ok, just call me when you find out, and no more text messages.
Her:Y
Me: How do I know you aren't making fun of me to your friend if you're texting me?
(things went downhill from here, I meant to put a smiley face in there to show I was joking, but I forgot. I really don't like text messages. After this point I lose my frame and have an AFC spasm)
Her: Thats mean. Do you really think I'm that rude?
Me: No, I know you're sweet, but its still at the back of my mind, thats why I prefer talking to text.
Her: Wow.
Me: What?
Me: Hey, I didn't mean for you to take that seriously. Did I piss you off or something?
Her: Ya
Me: Aww, I'm sorry. How can I make it up to you?
Her:Its ok, just tell me when you're joking.
Me: Ok. Thats another reason I don't like texting.
Her: I just feel weird.
Me: Why?
Her: I just do.
Me: About what?
Her: Forget it:
Me: No really, tell me.
Her: I just don't know if you're really serious or not.
Me: Serious about what?
Her: Comments you make.
Me: Thats what makes you feel weird?
Her: Mhm
Me: What comments?
Her: Do we really have to talk about this right now?
Me: No, I just don't want to make you uncomfortable.
Her: You're fine for right now.
Me: Haha, ok. Just find out when you're coming over and call me, ok?
Her: K.

After this I called 911, cuz I knew I had shot myself in the foot. I figured I had fucked everything up with her, so I just put it out of my mind and went on. But that night at about midnight she texted me again just to say goodnight. I replied goodnight, and haven't heard from her since. That was Monday night. Its Wednesday morning now. I'm pretty confuse. I was sure that I had fucked myself over, but I don't understand why she went to the trouble of texting me just to say good night. I need some input here. On my game (or lack thereof) and how long I should wait to call her again. Thanks guys.


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chalk this one up man....move on to the next girl immediately so that you feel better. if you go to school that should be easy enough. I know this isn't what you want to hear, but that my opinion. I admit she did show some continued interest with the text, but i wouldn't try to contact her again. let her make the move. if she does, go cocky on her, like you don't care and have forgotten the whole thing. and for god sake don't apologize! finally, don't fluff talk via text, it leads to boredom (things like Mhm). texting is a great opportunity to crank it up a notch with innuendos. go for it.

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you were asking too many questions...Why this and Why that? What questions Why u say Hmm You just showed signs of a different person...The night you met her u was the pua the text u turned back into your old self..We all make mistakes and yeah chalk this one up..If she text or call back wait some time before responding...dont text or call her either until days after she calls or text you


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Thanks guys. I haven't tried to contact her or anything since our text convo. I don't want to sound like I'm hung up on this particular girl, but how would I damage control this situation? Damage control is something I don't see much information about, and so I don't know anything about it. Thanks for the advice by the way.


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As a PUA it is really hard to read your post Wildcat but this forum is all about helping one another out so listen up.
From the actual first interaction with this HB, things started well but then you start to let her lead you, this is no good. Women love to be led. When she went to hug you, you should have said something like "wow i barely even know you - your like my puppy so over friendly but OK".

Now onto your texting session, firstly i am very very discouraging of texting at all in the early stages. Never initiate text early on and if they initate keep the reply to a brief once only. No long winded to-ing and fro-ing like is happening here. Why? Simple because 99.9% of men will initially text instead of calling because they dont have the balls to pick up the phone and speak. By calling you are already setting yourself apart from the rest.
Your texting did start off OK, you told her what she had to do (you led). You did however ask too many questions, and the ulitmate big no-no
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Her: I can't right now, I'm sorry.
Me: Thats alright, lets just make plans for another time
Your response here is AFC becasue you come across very disappointed about her response. Remember you need her to think you does not need her.
A more suitable response would be.
"K well im flat out for the rest of the week, i can prob do thursday next week after 5 or the following Monday [always give 2 options] but we cant be too long, im a busy boy :)"

To be honest after that texting spree im surprised she is still interested (and believe me by what i read she is). She still seems to show IOIs like the goodnight text. But you are in danger of hitting LJBF and you dont want that! Despite what the other PUAs are saying you cant let her go. Why? because i believe you can only 'next' a goal when you have reached your goal. If you get nothing your certainly not 'nexting'.
Have one more go then move on.
Call her and start off in a happy/jokey mood.
"Hey [HB's name] you would not believe what jus happened to me, i was out with a friends last night and i swear i saw a girl who was identical to you. Do you have an evil twin?"
Never admit that it was a joke, always act like it happened.
Then say
"I cant talk long i got a meeting in 10mins but we got to catch up soon. Im free tomorrow or Weds after Xpm lets get together"
If she says yes make a time
If she says no or maybe
Try one more time and if she still makes a lame excuse you'll have to move on. But its sounds like shes into you so chances are she will say yes.
Good luck from Downunder.

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Excitement thanks a lot. I'm going to try what you said. Its also funny you told me to use the "evil twin" line, because she has an identical twin sister. I also don't like text at all. I have a very, I'm not going to say cocky, but a politely sarcastic sense of humor, and that is very hard to get across in text. Thanks to all of you though, from all the advice you've given me I can see in my head the way that night and the following day should have gone compared to how they actually went, and that is a big help to my game. As a side note: excitement, you said my post was hard to read. How so, did you mean emotionally difficult because I fucked up so hard, or actually difficult to read because of the way I wrote it?


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Well, good news guys. I took some of the advice you guys gave me, and gave the girl (who we'll refer to as HB-Twin henceforth) a call. I got her voicemail and left her this message:

"Hey kiddo, this is *Wildcat78*. I'm gonna be in and out all night tonight, so try to catch me. If you can't I'll talk to you later, but I've got a funny story you need to hear."

She called me back about 45 minutes later and the short conversation went like this:

WC(Wildcat): Hello
HB: Hey, whats up?
WC: Not much, who's this?
HB: *HB-Twin*
WC: Oh, hey whats up?
HB: Not much, at a family reunion.
WC: Sounds fun...
HB: Not really, just seeing my cousins and stuff. I'm actually coming back tomorrow. So what have you been up to?
WC: Not much. You know school and stuff. Hey, I can only talk for like five or ten minutes, but I wanted to tell you a funny story that happened to me last night. I was at *local mall* walking around with my friends. I saw this girl that looked exactly like you. I mean she looked more like you than your sister. I thought she was you, so I just walked up and put my arm around her and started talking to her. God bless her, though, she was cool about it and waited until my friends went in a store to tell me she wasn't who I though she was.
(HB-Twin was laughing and asking questions throughout the whole story, but I mostly ignored them and kept going)
HB: What did you do when she told you?
WC: I turned bright red. I was so embarrassed, but she was cool and she walked around with us for a little while.
HB: Did you tell your friends?
WC: I waited until we got back to tell them. They still won't leave me alone about it.
HB: (laughing) thats funny...
(I felt the conversation waning at this point, so I decided to stop while I was ahead, or at least farther ahead than I was to begin with)
WC: Crap, I've got another call and its kind of important, so I'm just going to let you go.
HB: Okay, I'll let you go...
WC: But hey, we need to get together.
HB: Ya, I should be free all next week.
WC: Okay, I should be free tomorrow, and maybe Tuesday. Either of those sound good?
HB: Ya Tuesday.
WC: Alright, I'll call you Tuesday. I've gotta go. Bye.
HB: Bye.

And thats how it went. Anyone got comments, critique or suggestions?


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sounds to me u just got urself an HB 8) good job

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Wow, major improvement from the first post!!!!! Congradulations, that was pretty good. Technique, style, tone was all in place and you left her at perfect timing. Good job!!!!!!

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Nice job buddy. I agree, don't let it slip away, use it as a learn experience. Way to bring it back.

Future reference, yes, make yourself seem as busy and as a big of a deal as possible. where you first said "Any day past 2pm"... always say "wed after two, or thurs after 5" something to that extent, so she feels like she has some power to choose (even though its clearly she dont :) )

Good job.


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Big time improvement Wildcat but a few things that still need a little work.
First of all i will answer your question from your previous post.
I just said it was hard to read cos you made a lot of mistakes which almost saw you lose the HB.
Anyway back to your last phone call with her:

You again started off really well but it went a little downhill here
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WC: I turned bright red. I was so embarrassed, but she was cool and she walked around with us for a little while.
Remember your an Alpha you are never embarrassed you are always in control.
A more appropriate response would have been
"No way your not her, wow well consider yourself lucky babe shes a great girl, awesome personalily, a little bratty though" Say this in a cheeky jokey manner, this can be difficut to convey on the phone but if you pull it off it will work like magic because its push/pull. Your giver her a small IOI then you wack her back into line with a neg. She will be wondering why you think shes bratty and will constantly what to try to get you to change your opinion on her.
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WC: Okay, I should be free tomorrow, and maybe Tuesday. Either of those sound good?
The above quote is a huge improvement well done.
But instead of saying ill call you, you should have organised a Day 2 then.
"Well i can do X or X time"
And then settle on a time.

Wildcat, i can see where you need work. You need to remember your unshakeable, your AMOG. Girls come to you, aswell as guys (i mean you lead your friends). You need to build your confidence. But well done overall mate.
PM me if you have anything i can directly help you with.

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Well, she flaked on me today, which I don't appreciate, but ok. I got back to the dorms today and hung out for a couple of hours, then called her. Got her voicemail and left her a simple "Hey, call me." Never got a call back, so I called again and left her a message saying "Hey, if you keep flaking out on plans, you might mess up your chances with me. I'm going out and I'll probably be out all night so I don't know if you'll be able to get a hold of me, but give me a call." She texted me (grr...) a little bit ago saying "I'm at work." I think I'm going to let her stew until tomorrow and call her and say that it isn't cool to break plans, but she can make it up to me by taking me somewhere for my birthday on Thursday. I don't know if this is the best way to play it, but its what I've got, so if anyone has some better advice, please share.


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Well, she flaked on me today, which I don't appreciate, but ok. I got back to the dorms today and hung out for a couple of hours, then called her. Got her voicemail and left her a simple "Hey, call me." Never got a call back, so I called again and left her a message saying "Hey, if you keep flaking out on plans, you might mess up your chances with me. I'm going out and I'll probably be out all night so I don't know if you'll be able to get a hold of me, but give me a call." She texted me (grr...) a little bit ago saying "I'm at work." I think I'm going to let her stew until tomorrow and call her and say that it isn't cool to break plans, but she can make it up to me by taking me somewhere for my birthday on Thursday. I don't know if this is the best way to play it, but its what I've got, so if anyone has some better advice, please share.
sounds terrible.

If you do any of what you just suggested your essentially crying to her how can you do that me.
Trust me when i say that 90% of the time when you don't get a response when initially planned its not by accident.
Your already in a bad position since she chose to not pick up/call back, and texting you 'at work' wasn't an accident either. If you go crying to her how offended you are, your dignity shall be lost.
Sorry to say it she has the power now.. and more than easily has many other guys to choose from who at this point have given her much less i want you attention :?

I think your biggest flaw was what somebody mentioned...too nice and too neddy w/ the 'i was so embarressed' and the 'i'll call you'

Your best chance would be to do the same... move on to another girl.


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Remember to have a clear line in your mind between appropriate and inappropriate behavior from girls. She's in YOUR world, and flaking out is not appropriate in your social circle.

I probably wouldn't have made the follow up call. If there was any chance of her calling you back (perhaps she had a legit reason to miss the appointment, although it doesn't sound like it) you blew it with the double voice mail.

The only worse thing would be if you called her a few extra times but didn't leave voicemails, so she would look at her phone and see "5 missed calls". It's needy and telegraphs interest.

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Okay guys, I'm chalking this one up and moving on to the next. Thanks a lot for all your help. This was my first time trying to use game from beginning to end, and all your advice, along with my mistakes has been a great learning tool. I can assure you the next field report I post will be a good one. Later dudes.


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