I'm a fan of David DeAngelo and his material, I think his stuff makes a lot of sense, he never gives women the attention they want and he never lets it show that he is in to her.

So in his number close is that he says after a while in the conversaton
"Hey you seem like a good friend, give me your number so we can hang out sometime"
At first I thought, "isn't this asking to end up in the friend zone?"
But then I was thinking, DeAngelo is all about creating an attraction, and if you can do that, it doesn't matter that she hangs out with you as a friend, at first, you will create the attraction.
And asking for her phone number as a friend is a good way to make her feel safe giving it to you.

Whats your oppinion?

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I can see that having a good effect and a bad one.

Good because of what you said, it'll throw her off base when you give HER an ljbf, then get a day 2. Bad because she may loose all attraction possibly (but that's being negative :p)

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I debated that one to. Going the 'friend' route. Seems balzy to me but I see how it could work. It's basically the same string as 'jalousy'. It's ment to make the women think "Hey wait a minute, I thought you where interested in me! Shit, maybe I didn't demonstrate it enough, maybe he thinks I'm not interested. Let's do something about it!!!".

I think it would work especially if you then tune up your interest in her. Or just after a spike where you demonstrated a lot of interest. Hot/Cold, mix signal all the way.

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This is a very interesting close. I can see how effective it would be, especially with higher value women. Pulling the "let's just be friends" card so soon gives you the control, demonstrates high value, disqualifies yourself, and presents a very subtle negative hit.

I really think you're overanalyzing this. Most of the time, it doesn't matter what you actually say. What does the trick is the vibe behind what you say.

As of now, I only do FWB (Friends with Benefits) relationships. This involves building a solid "friend" frame while sexualizing every interaction at the same time. A lot of what I say is "friend-zone" material, but I incorporate sexual state at the same time.

A friend frame and a sexual/lover frame are not mutually exclusive. The "friend zone" is something else. If a guy gets friend-zoned by a girl, that dynamic does not lead to actual friendship; instead it's more about "I feel sorry for this guy so I'll treat him like a charity cause."

no way! if i have only learned one thing in pick up its that to get girls you need to be high energy and have big balls, and if they dont like it its not the end of the world!
there are a million other girls out there, but to anwser your question no it isnt good at all its like a longer mystery method if you dont hit on her eventually, and she will think of you as a friend if you leave it to long cus lets face it, fit girls have men in there life anyway, she doesnt need another male friend, just have gigantic balls and if she doesnt like it then all it takes was a 'nice meetin you'

I think that it matters the most what you DO AFTER you have her number down if your worried about ending up in the friend zone. I would vote in this example the friend method, like you said, she now feels more comfortable to give you her number and she might even develope a bigger crave on you because she is not sure if you really want to be her friend or something else...

Overall I would consider this "Hey you seem like a good friend, give me your number so we can hang out sometime" as a safe/ more secured landing method in order to get her number...


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I agree with Johnny B, I don't see a danger in asking a girl her number by refering to her as a friend, it might even be a good thing and kind of work like a neg or disqualifier.
I think it will work and I'll try it a few times and see what happens

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