Ok I need to lay some background real quick:

Started a relationship with a girl at first was just sex then got personal, we broke it off but have the problem of the fact that she lives across the street. at this point everything is extremely amicable, (she buys me gifts, cooks me dinner, and still tries to sleep in my bed or have me stay over).

The problem is she doesnt want to have sex or pleasure me in any way, she still enjoys making out and I still make her orgasm on the regular but she hasnt returned the favor in awhile now.

After trying several different things and even discussing the issue I am considering cutting this girl from the team.

Does anyone have any ideas on what she is trying to do or what I should do to make this situation a bit more balanced?

Thank You

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poolman

Poolman my friend, I think in the back of your head you know what I'm going to say.

Would you go to buy a car, hand over the money - and then drive off without the car? Pardon my french but - FUCK THAT.


What you should do is simple. Sex is a fair trade, and if one person is taking the goods and not giving it out now that isn't fair.

STOP MAKING HER ORGASM.

Is the the simple answer. A little bit of making out is ok (give her a taste of what she's missing), but heavy making out and anything else you want to give her is strictly off limits - how hard it is.

Personally be fine - treat her friendly, with a bit of cocky funny, but DO NOT go further.

If she asks why you're not doing anything, pull some cocky funny and say that you aren't gonna give until she pays back her debts and change the subject.

I'd say you have two possibilities of outcome; she'll cut her self loose or go for your cock. And I'd say that letter is more likely - especially if you keep it flirtacious, but frustrating on her part.

Good luck!

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Using situational openers?
Throwing yourself in?
Able to flow conversationally from every good or bad comment they make?
That's the way its done.
The only game is natural game.

Ha, Yea I figured that would have to happen.... and that was my first strategy.. in fact my plan was to ignore her for 2 weeks, problem is she lives next door and thats near impossible ( she just comes over sometimes).

I will def cut her off completely tho.

Its wierd tho because I have no problem escalating the situation to where she is basically pulling me back to her bed at night but is lame once there.

I know what this girl is capable of because she used to rock the shit out of me and have a serious craving for satisfying an oral fixation.

Thank you for all your help, any other advice on how to crack this nut would be very much appreciated.

Thanks

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poolman

Start bringing other girls around to see how she reacts. As Riot mentioned, stop giving her a reward for her action -- you making her orgasm is rewarding her behaviour. Be flirtatious and then once she starts getting wet, pull back, saying things like 'I gotta run, my friend wants me to take her and her friends out.

It also sounds like you should discipline her (mentally) so she stops showing up unannounced. One of my ex's used to do this, and I had to condition her to call first to see if it was a good time. At one point I heard Mystery give some interesting tips on this (i.e. letting her know you are upset and she best stop doing a certain thing, without coming off like an angry/controlling person).

Thank You again.

I really like the idea of bringing other girls around, I have experimented bit with this over the course of our time and it has always aroused a competitive streak in her and works great.

I will definitely give this a try and see how she reacts.

BTW she has a copy of The Game, neil strauss, not sure if she made it through the book but between that and the fact she is a bartender means she has seen and heard the fundamentals of game. do you think this alters the way you approach a girl? ie if she knows the strategies and methods could she outplay the game or does this alter it in some way? or is it such an unconcious process that it doesnt matter?

I know, some deep thoughts on game theory but I like talking about this stuff and thats what we are here for...

Thanks again

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poolman

It doesn't change anything. The reality is always this - if you go in relying on tricks, and lines, you will most likely fail, and if you don't, then you just got lucky with a girl who isn't that switched on anyway.

No matter what she's read, no girl would turn down a guy who can be "present" and put her in a good mood. I'm currently going through David D's "Man Transformation", and David Wygant's stuff (search for David Wygant on youtube) It's all about forgetting tricks and just observing and coming up with things to say based on the mindset or situation they might be in, and then you say it positivly, and with confidence.

You need to step up and say something look you gotta please me hear 2 or this isnt going to workout
step up and do something ( Are you needy? do you have a fear of loss?)

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Difficulties are things that show a person what they are.” Epictetus