I still consider myself to be a noob at this but wanted to share what I've done twice and managed to F-Close without any LMR. Both times with women on our "second" date.

I guess in essence that its a collection of stuff I've read from this site and in other places but hey, if it helps someone then great!

The setting is generally at my place so I'm more in control. I throw the invite out then disarm their ASD by adding "...but only if you promise me you won't rip of my clothes and take advantage of me. Sometimes a coffee is just a coffee!" Usually this makes them laugh.

Then build comfort on the couch whilst escalating KINO. Eventually go in for the K-close. Keep going and escalating then without saying anything, stand up, pull them up...keep kissing for a few more seconds. Then still in silence, grab both their hands and turn around and walk them to the bedroom whilst still holding their hands behind you and leading them along. What I've found is the walk to the bedroom gives them chance to realise what will happen but because they are looking at the back of your head, they don't offer any LMR.

Once in the room, bit more kissing standing up then step back, gentle push onto the bed and bingo! The last gentle push I think also helps because it just reaffirms your position as the alpha male and what IS going to happen.

Well it worked for me anyway!

Ok, so after reading this I have some additions to getting a FC without any LMR.

Point One: Good to set up the fact that you don't expect anything from them pulling a ASD, one thing that I do is have them come over to my place, say "Here is my hole in the wall" then go out and do something with them, then when we come back she knows that I didn't expect anything, because wouldn't I have tried something earlier when she was over?

Point Two: to bust through LMR, you must eliminate what causes LMR in the first place. According to guys like mystery and in evolutionary psychology, the reason why a woman has LMR, is because of the fear that you won't stick around. This is regardless if its a ONS or a FB.

So how do we eliminate this?

Through the use of DHV stories and C/F lines that demonstrate you will stick around after.

After I've kissed them I give deep EC to demonstrate that there is something more going on than the physical and tell them "You half to earn the right to makeout with me" if they try to go in for a makeout.

Secondly, what I do is seed a DHV story along the lines of how I stuck with someone through a really difficult time and also give them IOI's about their personality seeding the fact that I'd still talk to them after.

Lastly this line has worked as long as its introduced at the appropriate time "Even if I didn't want to fuck you, I'd still call you the next day" this shows a strong sexual framing but also that you'd call her the next day.

Anyway hope this helps add.

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