hey guys,

can someone please explain in more detail freeze outs, specifically how long to freeze out for...i mean, what if she doesn't respond ...I'm assuming you don't react at all, which is pretty much fatal to the F-close however. I suppose we are playing a game of 'who blinks first'...in terms of who should re-establish kino / making out again and if I were to give in that could also mess up the F-close??

I think my mistake recently has been half heartedly freezing out, eg. going from full making out and fumbling around to just a light one arm on the waist, when I should go into ZERO kino and play on my phone or whatever??

Also how persistant do you need to be...how many freeze outs should I need? As many as it takes, ..or until she stops responding to freeze outs?

Also, after the freeze out do you essentially start at the beginning again...or just pick up where you left off, albeit gently easing her back to the previous level of making out. Another mistake I think at this stage is I half heartedly go back into kino and spend too much time in low level kino, which is no where near the level we left it.
How important is escalating properly / quickly here therefore? I know it's wrong to think like this buts its almost like I'm constantly pushing her into something she doesn't want (by being persistant)...but I know this is not true most of the time!!
How important is being persistance and to persevere at this final stage, and how do you know when to call it a day

Thoughs appreciated...

Thanks,
Para

With my current girl I find when you reach a stage where its not going forward much then stop and talk about something else.

if the girl wants to sleep with you she will put the effort in to escalate kino, if she isn't interested or its going too fast then she will block you off.