Hoola.

Several times I've heard the girl saying "no sex on first date." Even when I've tried to freeze them out, qualify and some sexual framing statements (even though I need to be better at this) I won't get it. Any suggestions on what I should do better? With both girls I spent about 6 hours on day 2. So far I've always been getting the lay on day 3 though, but I just want it on day 2.

No offense, but I wouldn't say that is something to complain about. Some people do have morals and people have different rates in which they adjust to someone. What really is the differnce between Day 2 and Day 3?

want it faster? try a different girl.

if you try to set it up with subtle hints and posturing, and she still won't go for it, then anything else will come off as rushed, forced, needy, or even creepy.

and if you are getting laid on the first date? better be using a condom or two. herpes is forever.

third date? seriously, you have nothing to complain about.

Anymore suggestions guys? I'll try to make her wetter. I need to be better at that. Like rubbing her pussy outside her pants and stuff, however, they often stopp when I begin to do stuff like that though.

uh, okay i probably shouldn't be helping because i think you're trying to take advantage of these girls as fast as you can, but whatever i'll give you the benefit of the doubt.

Look, forget girls morals, it doesn't mean crap. Almost any girl will fuck you on the first night. And I'm serious.

DON'T go anywhere near her pussy, or tits, just DON'T!
Go everywhere else but those places, start in the upper body, get into some seriously vigourous kissing, move grab each others heads hold on tight, if you're doing it right she'll be doing it back to you much harder. Once you've got her going, start rubbing her arms, her back, all around her upper body. BUT NOT HER FRONT, not yet.
Once you've got her internal fires burning, and you should be able to recognise the signals, start rubbing around her sides, then slowly move around to her belly and up, BUT STOP BEFORE YOU EVEN COME NEAR BOOB. Don't touch her tits, you need to go really close so she thinks you will, then turn your hands and go in the other direction. This'll drive her crazy.
After a while, start rubbing all up and down her legs, grab her, move her around. Get her wild. Eventually you'll be able to move your hand to her inside thighs, go everywhere EXCEPT her pussy, purposely avoid it and make sure she's getting teased.

By this time she'll be so hot that you can do your normal thing.


I dunno i guess i'm kinda lucky, once i've kissed a girl everything after that comes naturally, but the bits before, that's where i need the help

I'm not sure what kind of issue this is. It could relate to inner game. It seems like all you're after is sex, is that what you got into the game for? Or did you get into the game to have meaningful, fulfilling relationships that improve your life?

A lot of guys get caught up in this "lay everyone" mode. If you can't stand hanging out with her without having sex, then why hang out with her? Why get her number, why even open her? Most guys that lay a lot of girls don't lay a lot of attractive girls. Sure they'll lie, bullshit, but in the end of the day we're out here to make ourselves happy.

I have a feeling you don't really value these girls that you're hanging out with. In the end, they own you. You spend the time getting to know them, spending countless hours and months improving your game, and for what...20 minutes of sex? I'd rather jack off to internet porn, the girls are hotter.

Try opening girls you would truly want to date. Then during the initial interaction, when your SCREENING THEM, not trying to win them over, then you can determine if she's someone you could be sexually attracted to. Raise your standards, this shouldn't be an issue.