The Background
today I proposed that she meet me at the mall tomorrow because i need help looking for a gift. She said she'll come and asked me where. I told her where, and then she said what time?

I froze her out a lil and before I got a chance to tell her what time, she said she has to cancel because she has something very important to go to for her exchange student status thing. she sent me like 3 texts in a row and was very apologetic even suggested we go for ice cream on sunday.

My thoughts:
I think it's legit and she just forgot about it this thing she has to do because she was so excited to be hanging out with me finally. honestly i'm really not interested in having ice cream with a girl for a day 2, a little too boring for me to be honest. i dont even like ice cream.

she is waiting for my reply, so i'm freezing her out big time right now, might even wait til tomorrow and say i fell asleep. it's easy for me to say "no worries, sunday is fine" but i don't want her to have that kinda control over what we do. sunday will be 2 weeks from day 1 so i'm hesitant to put it off any further.

My solution
any suggestions? am i pushing too much? i don't want to compromise what i've already worked very hard to achieve with this HB.

You’re overanalyzing the situation. Reply and tell her you’re seeing her this Sunday but whatever you do, don’t appear to agree meeting her based on her offer. Maintain your original idea and say, “plan B: let’s meet and pretend it’s the ice-cream we’re really hot for.”

Flake seems fine - you froze her out before she could agree it anyway.

Tell her you don't like ice-cream, geez. "Ice-cream I'm not sure about, but I still need that gift/how about some heroin?/I prefer donuts/want to go hiking?"

She will say yes to whatever you suggest if she can fit the time in.

Cunning Linguist - this name is brilliant. Want to swap?!

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thanks guys.

I replied a few hours later at about midnight and said i fell asleep and not to worry about it cause i was going to the mall anyway. i didn't mention anything about sunday. i'm sure it'll work out fine.

she flaked on the day she suggested.

the night before she texts me and said tomorrow she will be with her family during the day, and later her friends wants to go to some bar, and she invited me to join them. i did not want to do this so i texted her back saying i'll see what my friends are up to tomorrow and i'll let you know.

the next day we spoke on the phone for a while and basically, she has all this stuff to do, and i left my schedule open for her. so to save face i said my friends want to play golf and stuff. i ended the convo and suggested dinner or something and she said she'll call me later. i said no, i'll call you later, but i'm not sure when. i said i'll surprise her.

i call, and there is no answer. FLAKE. 24 hours later, the next night she texts with my designated pet name saying "how was golf? sorry for yesterday but your surprise call was too late. have a good night".

oh i'm definitely freezing her out for at least 48 hours. that's a given. what i don't know is how to actually get a day 2 out of this. what am i doing wrong? do i have to be more direct like "meet me HERE at 9:00 on Thursday"? also, how do i show her that this behavior is completely unacceptable?

How is this a flake? You said you where going to surprise her when you would call her.

Like Cunning Linguist said I think you are still over over analyzing this. You also don't seem to want to bend any in meeting with this girl. And it seems the two of you are in a "tug of war" so to speak for a Day 2. The next time you talk to her (as in not texting her), be direct on time and place. Leave what you have plan out of the picture. You may also want to give her a small neg at least for not being able to meet up with you one on one.

Here are my thoughts. I agree your overanalyzing, but then again who doesn't from time to time. I also agree with you not wanting her to have control over the time you guys spend together. But sometimes a little bending is not bad if 1. you give her a little underhanded neg to go along with your compliance and 2. if you get a day two out of it. I had a girl that wanted to do day 2 at a bar last night. I was going with my friends anyway and I told her that. She shows up, says hi, and goes to a differant part of the bar with her friends. She thought I would follow. I stopped by twice to crack a joke and then went back to my friends. Froze her out for about an hour and let her get hit on by all the AFC's there. Sure enough, I get a text out of no where that says "Where are you?" My point is you can do day two at a bar with a group. Its not ideal but depending on how you met her, I think it can work to your advantage if you show her that while yes you showed, you don't need to be with her to have fun. If you made a good enough impression on her she will quickly get tired of AFC game and come back.

Hope this helps. Get out there and stomp that strange bro!

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Thanks for all the added advice guys.

I waited like 48 hours and texted her last night:

ME: didn't play golf b/c of weather. went to dinner that night instead (showing that i am not waiting around for her). You are still too nervous to call me? that's cute. (neg) I have some exciting news for the weekend but ill only tell you about it if you surprise call me tonight:) (encouraging but not requiring a response)

no response. no bid deal. perhaps that was a tad needy, but at this point i felt it was smart to test the waters and see where i stand. we have spoken on the phone before and i teased her about being nervous b/c like most girls it's easier for her to text. no response shows me that she did flake and when she did respond, it can't really be seen as continued ioi.

i don't think it's necessarily over, but i'll be keen to move her down the list since there will be other fishes to fry.

reading this thread, i find myself relating to some of the situations you were in. the whole part of calling her and her responding back in texts, is very common with girls these days. in fact, i enjoyed that little neg "you're still too nervous to call? thats cute."

I have similar situation that im trying to close a day two. we were supposed to meet up about a week ago but it didnt work out. then, i suggested we go to this hidden coffee shop in melrose, but she didnt respond to that either. now, either shes not getting all my messages, or shes ignoring them for some reason or another.

i was out with another female friend last night and we bumped into her. I spoke to her for a minute, and said i had to return to my friends but that we'll talk later. the fact that she saw me with another girl, i feel is DHV. i'm not a lonely guy buy any stretch of the imagination, and that hanging with me is a chance that can't be taken forgranted.

but my ? is, how can i continue this and close in the day two with this girl. if she brings up the girl i was with, which im sure she will.

that is an awesome situation. definate DHV that you are pre-selected by other women. have you made contact with her since? after her seeing you out with another girl i think you have nothnig to lose by trying to contact her again. i don't think she'll ask about the other girl, but if she does, just say she is cute when she gets all jealous or something. maybe just explain that you are single and just going out and enjoying yourself so you see nothing wrong with it.

also, a tactic i use to start a conversation with a girl i just recently saw out, is to contact her and say, "hey i didn't get a chance to ask you how you are doing the other day".

well ya, i made contact with her last weekend, and told her we should hang out on sunday, but she said shes going to some lake for a picnic with family. so, jokingly, i told her not to drown, and if she makes it back alive, to call me during the week and we'll hang out. its been a few days and no contact still.

im just puzzled as to what's going on. it doesnt bother me too much, cause i go out sarging and i get other #'s. but another problem im having, is closing with other #'s. getting #'s has become a game, and its been real fun, but i need to close more further. any suggestions? suggestions to start a conversation with an idle girl?

get here to go out but just tell her you really dont want ice cream. then work from there.

just got back from day 2... finally

she kept getting flaky whenever i mentioned meeting up somewhere. so when she didn't respond, i froze her out indefinately knowing that i still get one more follow up on the flake (PUA rule i learned here).

so almost 4 or 5 weeks later, outa the blue i just sent her a quick quick txt using the pet name and saying whats up. i slowly started building rapport and comfort over the week sending a few random txts. she told me her plans for the weekend and asked me to meet her somewhere. i bit the bullet and just met her there. I know this day 2 was on her terms, but i learned from AFC Adam that the day 2 should be low pressue, and low commitment for her.

the day 2 could not have gone better, and i'm sure i'll be seeing this HB again soon. thanks for all the help guys.