I hope this is in the right section, ive been lurking around this forum for a while now but this is my first post. I recently went on a first date with a girl I met on a mobile dating app. I met her downtown for lunch and she told me she wanted to get her nose pierced, so after lunch she found a place nearby and I accompanied her to do that. There was a wait time to get the piercing (45min) so I suggested going on a walk. She spotted her favorite local doughnut shop so we went there and I bought each of us a doughnut, and we went back to the tattoo shop to eat them and talk. We had a nice conversation and it seemed like we had quite a bit in common. When it was her turn to get pierced she asked if I could hold her hand which I agreed with no hesitation. After that was all done we went back to her place and I met her brother and played with her dogs for a while. She got a phone call and said a friend needed a ride somewhere, I told her to go help her friend out and we would get together for a hockey game soon, she said she would really like that. Right before she got into her car I told her it was nice to meet her gave her a hug and a kiss on the cheek. I texted her later that day and said I enjoyed hanging out with her and was looking forward to seeing her again, I also told her I hoped she didnt mind the kiss on the cheek. I didnt get a response from her. I was contemplating texting her again today but didnt want to come off as needy, its been about 24 hours since I last texted her. Im new to the whole PUA thing and honestly the whole formal dating thing as well. I usually just have one night stands and thats about it. Thanks for everyones time and help in advance.

You're way too much of a nice guy man, try to stop asking for permission to hold hands, stop being so complimentive, stop letting her lead you around piercing shops.

She still seems to like you like a friend, but if she is attracted to you, she will get back to you, but by the sounds of it, your nice guy syndrome probably didn't help at all. In fact in my opinion it ruined things. Girls don't like that. Be more like a Spartan from the 300 movie.

Wait another day and send her:

"You never write, you never call, rent is overdue and the kids are worried about their mommy, what shall I tell them? "

This might recover it a little...but learn to be more alpha, like...with everything really. Texting, body language, interactions, take control and lead it to your bedroom.

The way you interact with girls, it's like you're so appreciative of her being with you spending her time. Try to reframe it that she is lucky to have time with you, do you feel the difference?

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Everything you're saying is pretty spot on. I am too much of a nice guy at times, I can also play the alpha male role but it comes off like I'm being a dick and I've been called out on it before. I guess I don't know how to find a balance between the two.


She ended up texting me today saying she has been busy with work and they're strict about the cell phone thing. I told her it wasn't an issue I was busy at work anyway, proceeded with small talk, told her hopefully her nose didn't hurt too bad today. Tried to act interested without seeming too interested if you know what I mean.


This girl seems pretty reserved and proper, she's really educated and has her shit together. Some advice to go from here would be awesome.

Cool, well continue with some small talk and get working on arranging another date. A date that you will go for the kiss. But make sure you don't ask her permission and thank her afterwards.

Then lead it to the place you want to have sex "Netflix and chill"

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Will do, thanks for the tips. I will arrange the next date and plan accordingly.