This is about how over the course of 5 MONTHS I absolutely destroyed this girls continuous LMR.

Quick back story. I started going to this gym in my town cause I took a year off from school to figure out what to pursue and to work. This girl (HB 7.5) was working the front desk. I signed up and started flirting with her for a couple mins then proceeded to work out. Couple days later I go back and workout again, at the end I ask her a couple questions regarding the pool (just some fluff) and flirt a little more. The next time I go she keeps looking at me, so before I hit the showers I run into her again and we talk, she says she can't talk long or she'll get in trouble; I said give me your number when I get out of the shower. She replies "maybe I'll hop in with you." (she didn't.) So I get her number and text her a couple hours later I said she should come walk my dog with me (she actually lives close to me and loves dogs, perfect situation) so she does. We walk the dog and I take her back to my room. We start making out and she says "you're the first guy ive ever kissed." and later she told me she loved me (not kidding.)

Here's where it gets interesting. I tell her "I just want sex and that she might get too attached but if shes okay with that then I wont have a problem but I am not looking for a relationship." I show her out. I freeze her out for about a week and a half, she texts me and asks to come over, so we start making out again, I go for a move and LMR. No problem. I just started turning her on and every time I would say rub her inner thigh or grab her ass she would hesitate, after all she is a virgin (oh and saving herself for marriage) I simply told her I wouldn't do anything she wouldn't feel comfortable with. She would leave and I would freeze her out again and I made sure she ALWAYS texted/called me first, after all I still had a life to live. Every time my plan was to turn her on so much she would feel that taking the next step was her idea and that it would be wrong not to and it WORKED. So this same process happens a couple times. Next time she let the bra go, after that the panties, after that fingers and so on. Each time I get closer to sex. Each time she left that we didn't have sex I didn't talk to her until she texted/called me first.

So fast forward the time before tonight. It was hot and heavy, she said she would love to fuck me, we were talking dirty and whatever, she didn't want to get pregnant, (no big deal I don't need a kid.) She blows me, leaves and I freeze her out for about 3 weeks, no communication. Today she texts me and says "I made an appointment with my doctor to talk about birth control." I ask her why I needed to know that (I knew) she replies; "Because I am going to fuck you." so sure enough I invite her over tonight and WE FUCK. Tight as hell and a lot of explaining what was going on, whatever.

In conclusion. I got this girl who when I first met her said "she was going to wait until marriage" then went to "I don't want to get pregnant" and finally gave in. 5 MONTHS of LMR!! What I took away from all this was that no woman, no matter who she is will "wait until marriage" (IMHO the ultimate LMR) you just have to have PATIENCE and not be afraid to lose it by pushing the her out of her comfort zone (and yourself for that matter;) after all there are other women out there.

- King Leonidas

P.S. if this post isn't in the correct section please let me know I was kind of confused because it is part lay report but mostly about my battle with her LMR so I decided to post it here. Much Obliged

K.L,

You're a hero man! I find it so difficult say "Sex only.. no long term relationship", maybe there are few things you can show me.

This girl seemed like she was really into you and needy, your magic worked like charm!

Keep up the good work

Longstar

Longstar,

First of all welcome to the Forum I see you're new. Second of all thank you for the kind words.


Honesty like that will be hard and awkward feeling at first, but it will be worth it I promise. Practice, practice and practice some more. Best advice I can give you when dealing with that situation is to know what you want and what you're worth and settle for nothing less. In all aspects of your life too not just pickup. (Obviously if she isn't okay with it respect her and don't force the issue or anything just say it was a pleasure to meet you and move onto another girl. Life's too short to waste time trying to get someone to do something they don't want to do.)
She was quite needy, she's calmed down with it a bit though. It's a crazy thing you read something on here and wonder "does that actually work?" then you get the opportunity and come to find out it works!!

Best of luck out there Longstar,

-KingLeonidas

Thanks KL,

My sticky point at this stage is the text game, getting to the day2.

I have read RC text guide, and change my approach (was so boring prior to this). I have moved on when target play hard to get and been getting new targets.

I use lots of "us" theory and girls seem to play along, that's so fun! But when ask for day2, they say (I'll think about it)...

Should I initiate if they don't?

Cheers
Longstar

Longstar,
So those two sticking points can go together in a way if you think about it. Since the problem appears to be that you're struggling with getting a day2 over a text. It just means you're not closing a text in a way that's strong enough to get a definite answer for a day2. What's would be an example of the conversation of a text where the girl says "I'll think about it."

I'm also unclear on what exactly you'd be initiating hahah.

-KingLeonidas

KL,

I managed to set a day2, and potentially day 3 (she will let me know, excuse is can't take day of work and need to pay for car rego) she works 3 jobs, and suggested to go for a beer after her soft on Sunday night. I don't drink or smoke but she does both! Only a 21yo.

I am improving my txt game by following RC's guide. I flirt now instead of asking how is your day or talk about the weather even tho sydney is having a bad storm!

Just feel like I have to come up with stories that will trigger her imagination, she plays along well but doesn't come up with anything herself.

When I stop the text stops, and I initiate the text game after a day.

Need some tips on day2, comfort and attraction phase. I'm worried that my auto pilot will take over (the nice guy).

Thanks
Longstar

Longstar,
Ahh I get the initiate part now. Are you purposely stopping the texts like a "Goodnight" type way or is the conversation just getting to a "lull" per say.
If it's the former then maintain silence for a good amount of time. Especially if you already have a plan to meet up; you can save anything you can say over a text for the actual conversation. If you don't have a meetup then wait it out before you initiate again (Four days to a week if things seem to be going well is my guideline)
If it's the latter and you don't have a meetup arranged, then let her text you first. (That time period might be a while so be prepared.) This works especially well if she enjoys your company and you two have had fun in the past.
Maintaining the silence shows her that you aren't putting your life on hold for her and everyone wants what they can't have.
Way to go setting the day2!! Those seem like some pretty legit reasons for me. A good way to tell if its an excuse or reason is to use the "Brad Pitt Rule." Essentially the rule is: if it was Brad Pitt asking her the same request would she still blow him off. Push for the day3 during your day 2, not over a text (It'll give you something more to talk about if nothing else). If she can't do a day3 no worries. If I read that right it seems like she suggested the beer after her shift? If she did then that's a great indicator things are headed in the right direction for you two. If not, again no worries she seems busy and the last thing you want to do as I'm sure you know is to be that "needy/clingy" guy.
Where are you two going/doing for a day2? What type of game you use will depend on that environment. For example at a club the SPAM is more sexual than a coffee shop; you can grind/dance with her and it is normal but if you're at a coffee shop you can't grind/dance with her. A good way to build comfort I remember reading about is to take them from place to place I call it "bouncing". A mall is a good place for a day2 because you have a lot of options. You can start at a coffee shop, go to a music store, go get food, people watch, etc. (Same goes for night game, start at a club, go get food, go to a bar, etc.) By doing this the other person feels a sense of "shared experiences" and psychologically they feel they know you better due to these "shared experiences". Which equals an increase in comfort.

The Attraction phase has already passed, you both know you're attracted to each other and you have the day 2.
You should be focusing on increasing her comfort around you and showing her that you're into her sexually via some light kino and creating sexual tesion during the day2.

Best of luck,
-KingLeonidas

Wow great advice there KL, we are going to a pub for a beer, I never thought of bouncing but will use it this time. Comfort building is the key on day 2? create sexual tension or else I'll be in the friend zone right? I hate the friend zone! And will refuse to enter, if things go well ill continue hanging with her if not then next target right?

You've been a great help on this KL, broke up with gf 2 months now and I am not keen to not get lay in the next 2 months. I love this community.

Well keep you updated.
Longstar

Longstar,
Correct, especially if you haven't hung out in person before. If she isn't comfortable around you then she won't let you do anything even remotely sexual towards her.
Precisely! If you don't show the interest she will assume you have none. A pub is a great place to create the sexual tension. The environment is a little bit more relaxed so any kind of light kino won't freak her out. Good ways to create sexual tension is through eye contact and physical touch (kino). A trick I read from a body language book and (there's probably a great article about it somewhere on here too) is when talking to someone do the triangle trick (I don't know if you've seen it) but you go from looking at the left eye to looking at the right eye and then down at the mouth holding the look at each part (Left eye, right eye and mouth) for a second or two. I do this when there is a silence in the conversation and it's a powerful sub-communication tool. As for physical touch, something I'll do is "My hands always seem cool (like cold) do they feel that way to you?" then you take her hands in yours (You've got "hand holding") The classic, you've got a piece of "lint" on you (pick it off and you've touch her shoulder.) Just get creative on ways you can break the touch barrier and escalate a little.


Just remember be yourself, have fun, make her feel good in your presence and get some sexual energy/tension involved so she will understand your motives and you'll be fine.

If you ever get nervous/hesitate to try something apply this thought process and you'll live a much easier life. "There is no "this will be a good or a bad" situation. My thought process is now "this will either go really well or I will get a good story out of it."" I started thinking that way when I started and it has helped my game and other aspects of my life greatly.

Best of luck,
KingLeonidas

I have never heard or seen of the Triangle Trick, but definitely will add that to my game. Do you use that to show you are attracted to her? or just a sexual tension thing?

I am now in learning mode, so not expecting to succeed every time but really man you are great with your game, I hope to learn some more things from you when i progress pass day 2.

Longstar

Longstar,

The "Intimate gaze" (the triangle trick i referenced earlier) is something that creates sexual tension. I personally use it when there is a prolonged silence during the conversation or if I move into their "intimate space" (roughly 6-18 inches away.) The closer you're in their space the more power it will have. There are 2 other versions or gazes.

1.Power gaze: Look from: Left eye -> Right eye -> to an imaginary eye on their forehead. This is a serious gaze and shouldn't be used when in a romantic/friendly encounter. More of if you want to put pressure on someone, intimidate someone, or to get some loud mouth like an AMOG to shut up.

2.Social gaze: Look from: Left eye -> Right eye -> Chest/lower body (your pick). This could be used at a first encounter type thing to show attraction. If you see her doing the same then she's saying shes interested.

Happy hunting,
KingLeonidas

KL,

Thank you for the tips.

Last night, I went out and meet the hb8 I was talking to earlier. Did some kino, but no routines or games we were really taking about ourselves and getting to know each other. That went for an hour and it was ok.

Not satisfied, I then meet up with a new american friend I met last week, he knows the too! We went to a bar for a drink, music was too loud and not many targets so we left.

on the way to Opera House bar, we met a hb8, she was alone, friends approached and used opinion opener (is love at first sight true??) It went ok Abs she was waiting for her friends, we then gave her our number (to meet at bar later) then we left. I am vietnamese, never dated or have european gfs (only asians so far), so I do feel somewhat intimidated... the girl was German, and oh my so gorgeous!

When we got to the bar, friends was buying drink and I was looking for a good location with targets. I open a 3 set (3 serbians girls), "hey guys How's the night going? ".. Normal conversation. .. They were tourist and was their last night in Sydney. I into them to my friend and hug goodbye them all.

At this point I was feeling good!!

Friend and I then sat down next to a 5 set ( all girls), I opened with styles jealous gf, surprisingly they were so into it, they were all americans! I into to my wing who's also another american, I then sat down and picked a target, we had some kino, deep convo and ran a bit of fun games. It went great! !! I then took a pic with all 5 girls, at this point I was feeling so pimp man!! Number closed my target and left to meet the german girl.

She arrived with 2 guys and a girl, wing introed with assume dhv, I chat with targets friend, my wing was sitting next to target, it went ok but he was running out of things to say so we bounced. Wing and I agree on swapping targets ( asian for him and white for me!)

we bounced to Opera House, I then isolate target and started trading her, I kino by holding her hands, arm around her shoulders when taking to her. .. it went well! I ran the esp game Abs got both right! She was shocked! And I had great kino. I then played 5q games and fooled her on q4! Man dhv to the max!!

Later on that night I told her to come back home with me (I had a lift from a friend) and I would drive her home. When we got to my house, I told her to come in, I asked her around and she was
Shy, she waited for me outside.

I opened for for her to get in my NSX, she complimented and like my car. Drove her home and she have me a tight hug, I could really feel the connection.

Planned with her on next date, see wants to see avengers. And incited her to my bbq next week and watch pacman vs floyd.

It's so promising and I feel bet proud, the night was good and I had learned so many things tonight. (I didn't think about sexing her or anything, I didn't even kiss close, really wanted to do the time with her and I enjoy her company, it was all about comfort and trust)

Still looking to improve and would love to have more advice.

Thank you kl

Sorry so many auto correction by the phone. . Hope you can still understand what I wrote.

Fantastic! From what I read you seemed relaxed, cool and in control of the interactions all night which is good. The girls were really feeding off the energy you provided. You didn't get stuck on being with one set all night and made a lot of what I think are quality approaches. Got some numbers which is always a good thing. Good call not thinking about hooking up that same night. That would be a surefire way to get in your own head and mess you up. Usually if you go out looking to have fun you will and everyone else will sense that and it sounds like they did.
Inviting her to a gathering where she won't know many people is good. She'll more than likely stay closer to you and it's a fantastic way for you to show higher value to her because you'll know more people, get laughs etc. Sounds like the German girl was really feeling you man. Awesome job with the kino, it sounded like you kept the interaction light, playful and natural feeling for her. I noticed also you bounced her around (Nice!!) You took her home just the two of you which was good way to build more comfort. Landed another date. A great night out man!!

I only have one suggestion for another time you have a night out sarging and 3 questions.

1.Did any of the routines you run feel forced at all or uncomfortable?
2. Do you favor a more of a routine based type game or favor a natural approach? (less emphasis on using routines)
3.Who you got in the Pacman v Floyd fight?

My suggestions would be with the kino next time you're in the situation where you've got some light kino going and shes feeling you like the German girl seemed to is, KEEP GOING!!! haha. Next time if you've got the hand holding or arm around her already, kick it up a notch by placing a hand on her thigh. Or if you two are walking away put your hand on the small of her back as if you're supporting her (if that part made sense.) It will drive that sexual energy through the roof and if she rejects it then you'll know you need to build more comfort with her.

Also if you want to see roughly where you are in terms of her comfort with you kissing her a sneaky little trick Mystery had was when you're isolated and talking to her just ask her "Do you wan't to kiss me?" She has three answers and each one has a solution.

If she says "Yes"... you kiss her
If she says "Maybe"... kiss her
If she says "No"... you can respond with "I didn't say you could just looked like you had something on your mind" (then continue on with your conversation as normal.)

- KingLeonidas

KL,

I feel comfortable doing routines now, been practising.

I use both natural and routine, sometimes "how is it going?" is good enough to open.

Floyd is undefeated man! but I think Pacman has a high chance of taking this fight. I support Pacman.

I did place my hand on high thigh for a moment when I was driving.

She seemed to be cool with it. My weakest part of game is the text game, she didnt have my number so once I got home, I texted her "I'm home, have a good night" and sent a photo of us together.

No reply yet, I shall wait till tomorrow to text again, what do you think?

I also, made sure my Wing was cool with me hitting on her, as he did the approach. He said all good and mentioned that he feels some signal from her. That's all cool with me, he's a great guy.

I might try the kiss close when she is more comfortable.

Thanks again KL!


I only have one suggestion for another time you have a night out sarging and 3 questions.

1.Did any of the routines you run feel forced at all or uncomfortable?
2. Do you favor a more of a routine based type game or favor a natural approach? (less emphasis on using routines)
3.Who you got in the Pacman v Floyd fight?

My suggestions would be with the kino next time you're in the situation where you've got some light kino going and shes feeling you like the German girl seemed to is, KEEP GOING!!! haha. Next time if you've got the hand holding or arm around her already, kick it up a notch by placing a hand on her thigh. Or if you two are walking away put your hand on the small of her back as if you're supporting her (if that part made sense.) It will drive that sexual energy through the roof and if she rejects it then you'll know you need to build more comfort with her.

Also if you want to see roughly where you are in terms of her comfort with you kissing her a sneaky little trick Mystery had was when you're isolated and talking to her just ask her "Do you wan't to kiss me?" She has three answers and each one has a solution.

If she says "Yes"... you kiss her
If she says "Maybe"... kiss her
If she says "No"... you can respond with "I didn't say you could just looked like you had something on your mind" (then continue on with your conversation as normal.)

- KingLeonidas[/quote]