First off, I apologize if this is in the wrong section of the forum or not. It has been 2 years since I have been on here ( when I first started my PUA journey) I am proud to say I average 14 girls per year. Big jump to how I used to be.

Anyways, fellow PUAs, I need ADVICE.

So, I met this girl online last September. We have been talking from then until present. We only went out 4 times. I'm going to give you the full story to understand the situation.. We pretty much only text all day. We talk on the phone sometimes, but mostly text. During the 7 months and change we have been talking, we have only talked about sex once or twice... Horrible, and not my fault.

Anyways, first date we met it was just feeling each other out. I did not make a move, you know, girls love the mystery. Second date a hug. Third date, a hug and a peck on the cheek. 4th date, hand holding, leg rubbing, hug goodbye and a peck on the lips.

Now maybe I am over analyzing things, but I thought into the 4th date by her body language. It was in the movies, her body was AWAY from me keeping a distance. I thought to myself If i do not do SOMETHING I'm going to lose the girl all together. Her hand was between her legs, so I put my hand over hers. It felt like YEARS before she even grabbed my hand in reciprocation. That was odd, usually the girl makes the first move on me. I barley do anything. I really like this girl, maybe because she is playing hard to get? Now, the peck thing too.. Threw me off. 98% of the time I bag the girl on the first date, so this peck on the lips business got me thinking. I really do like this girl and maybe she is a relationship material? Or did this girl friend zone me. But she never cancels dates and she always initiates conversation, whether it be over text or randomly calls me.

Now to me as a PUA, I found this very weird. Like I said I usually bag the girl on the FIRST date, if not the second, so this is hard to get my head around..

Now, normally I would write this girl off, but I want something real. I am getting tired of one night stands and meaningless flings.

Is this a good girl, or is she just leading me on?


Thanks for the help boys.

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Mystery, you created your ( future) wing

She is using you for dates.

On the FIRST date, if you feel a girl is really into you, YOU are the one that should escalate.

You need to take the bull by the horns! You need to sexually escalate PRIOR to the date, then escalate some more! She's NOT going to do it for you!

You want the pussy? Do some of the work.

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Can you elaborate on this one? I'm a pretty suspicious about it. My experience is that when girls refuse to talk about sexual topics, the reasons are, in a mathematical probability order:

1. It's my fault
2. Virgin and sexually extremely insecure
3. Deeply religious/Is part of a culture or subculture where this is very strictly a taboo
4. Has been sexually harrassed/Has sexual trauma

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Agreed ^^^^

It's the mans job to escalate not the woman's, that's how you end up in the friend zone if you don't. She takes it as lack of sexual interest/confidence and moves on to someone who can make her feel like a woman.

I'm aware of that. Everytime I tried to escalate she didnt feel comfortable doing so. And I know its not me

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Mystery, you created your ( future) wing

I think it may be 2 or 4 on that list you provided. Honestly, I have tried everything. I am ready to write this girl off, but holding on to the fact she may be a good girl idk

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Mystery, you created your ( future) wing

I always do. The chemistry between me and her just isnt there.

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Mystery, you created your ( future) wing

Mistake #1 - Not portraying yourself in a sexual frame immediately. This is a common problem with meeting online.

Mistake #2 - Failing to escalate. The first time you meet, you should be straight in with heavy eye contact, touching, flirting, getting in close, pulling her in close.

Mistake #3 - Chatting / Texting too much before sex, instead of actually meeting. Texting only serves 2x purposes: 1) Making her horny 2) A means of arranging a meetup. She put you on the friend ladder from Day One because you weren't sexual enough and you failed to show you were prepared to walk away from her mind games.

Grow some balls. This is basic stuff. I'm surprised someone with your intermediate level of experience is having such a noob problem. Women are replaceable, remember? What's so special about this one?

If she won't put out, boot her out. Frigid bitch wasting your time bro.

I'm with Hunter on this, if we're not in a sexual frame within 2-3 texts I'm already done.

If they text me 1st I don't care what the message says my reply is "whatja wearin?"

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I agree, great answer.. Its a waste of time. And I know its nooby, but I think what it is I thought she was a quality girl, and I was taking it slow. Causing me to forget about kino, sexually escalating, etc

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Mystery, you created your ( future) wing

What I'm confused about is the fact that you say she is a "good girl" yet you are also saying the chemistry isn't there. How can you want to stay with someone who you don't have chemistry with and you don't feel the interaction? Just curious of course. Is there something specific that keeps you with her?

Her ass

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I think its because she didnt jump into things right away. Usually we have sex on the first or second date but she kind of blew me off in that way. First girl that has ever done that, so that is probably why I was so interested in her.

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Mystery, you created your ( future) wing

Freeze her out and find another. Only way to find out if she's interested. But 7 months & one peck on the lips means you've taken vacation in the Friendzone dude

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