If you invited a girl to "meet up" at a coffeehouse the first time, a bar at the second time, and an art gallery the third and there was no kiss attempted at the end, would it seem to you that I was asking her to "hang out" vs an actual "date"?

Also, if I wanted to pursue this as more than just "hanging out" (such as a romantic pursuit), would I be friendzoned by now into the point of no return?

Is there any physical contact at all? Any kind of escalation?

These aren't dates if you're missing any physical element (touching, petting, kissing, etc).

As for as kinoing goes, the occasional "let's-go-this-way" hand guide on her back, was about it.

I am in kind of the same situation however have only been on one date. I did no kino whatsoever as I didn't feel the vibe from her and im very inexperienced, so Im wondering if she will think its just a hang out as friends thing. My feelings are that if you go 3 dates and no kino or sexual escalation then I think she will think you are just friends. Im going to have to use kino on my second date to pull things around and make date 1 seem like a gradual buildup.

I have a rule that I always attempt the makeout on the day-two... not at the end, but when we're getting close and I feel that I've pumped her buying temperature to a reasonable degree. If she's attracted she'll reciprocate, or tell you that she's not ready, or not interested - either way you need to test to waters, but be completely non-needy about it.

Granted, this doesn't guarantee things will continue... I've had many times when we kissed, then get a text the next day about how she's not really interested or some BS I can't understand. But would you rather set the man-to-woman frame early as possible, or hang out with a friend hoping it will eventually turn into a romantic endeavour? First option should always be your choice.

PS. Make sure you're also sub-comminucating the right message when you first meet, texting, organising to meet, etc. But that's a topic for another time.

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