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PostPosted: Mon Jul 01, 2013 12:56 am 
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So I have a huge crush on a girl I work with. A couple months ago I started flirting with her at work and we hung out 4 times in a 2 week span, usually with common friends. The 4th time was when we were very touchy feely, lots of kino, and enjoyed a great make out session.

After that night I waited a few days and tried making vague plans that ended up falling through. So about a week later I was out and texted her to come meet me, when she said she couldn't that night she made specific plans to go out just the 2 of us. So I took her out a few days later and didn't kino escalate as much as I had hoped. She seemed a bit bored towards the end of the night, I knew I didn't wow her and would just be taking her home. When I dropped her off she was quick to get out of my car so I said, "Wait can't I kiss you goodnight?(I already know that was a TERRIBLE move) she then looked at me and gave me a quick peck and got out. Coulda been worse.

After that I sort of felt like I blew it but still having this big crush on her I decided to wait a week or two then see if she wanted to hang out again. She seemed very interested in hanging out but several things made it difficult for us, long hours at work, different days off, both taking different out of town vacations. So we hadn't seen each other outside of work in about a month and a half until she comes over to briefly hangout with her friend and one of my housemates(female) I ended up hanging with them for a bit but failed to flirt or use any kino.

2 weeks later brings us to today where at work I started talking to her and eventually said,
Me- So when are we gonna hang out?
Her- Whenever you want.
Me- Hmmm, I say tomorrow
Her- Tomorrow? I work but I'll call you when I'm out. We can go out for pizza.
Me- Sounds good yada yada yada

I know at one point she liked me but that was months ago. How much attraction should I assume she has in me now? Last time I took her out it was a bit boring. How can I spice up the night tomorrow and make sure she has a better time? Any tips for me for this entire situation would be greatly appreciated. I really like this girl which makes me very nervous and my game suffers because if it. Advice anyone?


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 01, 2013 9:39 pm 
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To me it's not as bad as you think. Look at the facts:
1. You asked for a kiss and you got one!
2. You asked her out after a 'crappy' date and she said yes again.

So in my book she is attracted to you. As for what you can do to spice things up. Hmmm why not just go straight for the fun vibe. I would lead with something like 'So we are out for a second time, you know it's one more before I put out.' Then continue on like that. At the end of the day have fun and don't weigh yourself down with what she is thinking. You're not psychic.....you're not right??

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 02, 2013 2:52 am 
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Weighing myself down with over-thinking is something I DEFENITELY do. But anyway, we both ended up working very late today so when I saw her towards the end of the day I said, "we should just hang out another day" she actually seemed slightly disappointed which surprised me since she didn't seem overly enthusiastic about hanging out when we made plans the previous day. The conversation went something like this:

Me- We should just hang out another day
Her- another day?(I noticed she often repeats what I say in the form of a question a lot)
Me- Yea, well I dunno, what do you think?
Her- I dunno you tell me
Me- Just give me a call after work
Her- Ok

She never called. I texted her later which I probably shouldn't have but it was just a brief exchange. I know I need to take control but I'm finding out it's harder than I thought. Having semi-recently getting out of a 4 year relationship where my girlfriend wore the pants is KILLING my game right now. I think I need a plan and as much advice as I can get. Thanks to all readers


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 02, 2013 10:34 pm 
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This is going to sound pretty shitty but in all honesty women don't know what they want. It's up to men to show them what they want (trying not to sound rapey). Your last relationship may have ended BECAUSE she wore the pants. This is going to sound cliché but it's your reality she wants to join. You should bust her balls next time she repeats what you say in the form of a question. Tease the girl. They love it. We should just hang out sometime (great start) then suggest ANYTHING!! Literally anything!!! Mini-golf, ice cream, hunting anything. She wants to know you have a plan. By throwing it back with I dunno you tell me is literally saying 'You choose as I'm afraid to make a decision'. The past is the past my friend, grieve for it but move on. You got some ass to get!!
Before you ask her out again come up with a plan as to where to go. Somewhere fun not the cinema or a bar (LAME) a museum, art gallery, mini golf (I love mini golf) say you are going and she should come. If she asks why, I suggest I'll tell you when you get there. It's a suggestion.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 06, 2013 11:21 pm 
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So I assumed this girl wanted me to take control and be sure of myself when asking her to hang out. So on the 4th of July I decided to call her instead of our usual texting. She didn't answer, but texted me back exactly 10 minutes later. I told her to come meet me at a bar and she didn't respond back, not a good sign. I'm thinking I've lost the attraction she once had in me but can't be sure since she still gives small IOIs here and there. What I don't know is what my next move should be. The combination of having a huge crush on her and knowing she was once very interested in me is driving me nuts. Part of me still thinks that she wants to hang out, she seems very open to it whenever I bring it up. But the recent negative signs are clearly there. So what's my next move? Keep asking her to hang out? I mean she's never declined when I've asked and I know persistence pays off sometimes. Or should I take the recent signs as hints to leave her alone(in which case I would just try to DHV until the attraction is back) I just don't know, I can't read this girl to save my life. What do you guys think???


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 07, 2013 8:19 am 
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Mate, doesn't sound good. From my perspective are you acting like someone who gets a lot of women?? You really fancy her as she is controlling what you do. She has the 'power' per se as she is kinda making you jump through hoops. You work with her so she can't be a dick to you. My advice would be move on go get some ladies and the stories WILL come back to her. Once she sees that she is out the picture she might decide 'actually it's time to go for this drink'.

That is what I think.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 07, 2013 10:57 pm 
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I don't act like I get a lot of women but she definitely knows I'm desirable. I had 4 girls from out of town come visit me and I posted a few pics on facebook. These girls were hot too, 9, 9, 8, 8. I've also mentioned my ex a couple times, not sure if that helps. She knows I drive a couple girls to and from work on occasion. But when I'm around her and other girls, I used to give her almost all of my attention. A little less recently. Btw, the girl I'm into is probably about a 7 to most with an awesome body. I like the girl so she's more than a 7 to me.

Anyway, yesterday I thought she had the day off from work so I shot her a text saying meet me out for a drink. I wanted to show that I wasn't rattled and wasn't gonna give up by her recent negative signs. Turns out she was at work and got out late. She texted me when she got out saying, "I just left work, you still out?" I got the text but was in bed and thought it was best not to respond. Today at work we saw each other and casually chatted when she mentions a bunch of people are going out tonight for my roommate's birthday. I told her I'd probably be there also. Then towards the end of my work shift I see her sitting with a bunch of girls in the dining hall. I walked in just as she was getting up to get a drink, we crossed paths, chatted again about everyone going out, I said I'd see her tonight, and then she said, "I'll call you when I'm out of work" I basically ignored that comment but I know it was a small good sign. So then we went to briefly talk to the girls she was sitting with. I was sort of the center of attention. I kinda felt like the pretty girl haha. So now I'm focusing on tonight and wondering how to play this. We will be with a bunch of people tonight. I intend to be very fun and in a great mood making my usual witty comments. I'll try some kino and hopefully can escalate. If anyone has any advice in the next 2 hours I'd be thrilled but if not then tomorrow I'll probably post how the night went. Special thanks to Jack for following my story. U rock bro.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 2:39 pm 
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Oh yeah, I love flat parties. It is like a bonus round!! They are too much fun and half the usual bullshit is eliminated. It seems you got this pretty much wrapped. I'd say arrive late, bring champagne (I ALWAYS bring champagne/prosecco is cooler SPAM but it doesn't matter) and talk to everyone on the way in. I mean the people at the front door and then work your way into the main hub. It's almost like your presence is being announced.
As for playing it with the girl well let the flirting begin!!! You seem to have it all sorted bud. Just remember isolate and you get 7 servings from a champagne bottle; choose your 7 wisely.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 3:40 pm 
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Fuck! So last night we all met out at the bar for my roommates birthday. I didn't flirt with the girl I like at all. It was a combination of her ex hanging around her a lot and me being super drunk and just having fun with the guys. My few interactions with her went very well however and I made her laugh as usual. I had skipped dinner, started pre-gaming early, and drank too many shots at the bar. I'm not a lightweight by any means but last night I got blackout drunk for the first time in 7 years. Last thing I remember is doing shots right before the bar closed. Someone apparently drove me home where I went straight to bed to pass out. The problem is that everyone came over including the girl I like to continue drinking and have fun. I guess everyone kept asking where I was and I looked like a HUGE pussy. I know they all bashed me last night for not being able to hang. How the fuck do I play this one? I looked like I couldn't handle my booze and missed a golden opportunity to show this girl how much fun I am. I'm fucking pissed at myself. What's the best way to handle this?


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 4:54 pm 
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Too many you have come to the right man. I consider myself a professional drinker. I have done it all when it comes to alcohol, faux pas due to and defused by that wonderful substance. I've blacked out and woken up on a stranger coffee table, puked over a girls shoulder mid-way through a lay, left half way through a lay, streaked, freaked and creeped. I may be an alcoholic but I do it with style.


First things first, how to handle your friends. in this situation the best course to take is to own up. Don't admit you are a pussy but say 'I was so wasted the last thing I remember was....'!!! Play on the work hard, play hard thing or how sometimes you just have to let go. If they call you a light weight respond with 'Yeah sometimes but it's tough being your role model', or 'Yeah it happens, life's too short to be sober'. Do you get what I'm trying to say. You're diffusing the rumour bomb and in my opinion, you come out cooler and experienced.

Second thing, the lady. She'll obviously want to talk to you about it. Wait until she does. Don't bring it up until she says 'What happened to you last night?'. Here you can play it two ways.
1. Play dumb: Say what do you mean?? That way she could say 'We all came back to your place you were in bed'. Thus she admits she noticed you lack of presence, she came back to your place and noticed you weren't there etc. All lovely material to bust her balls on that window for flirting opens and the smell of sex wafts into the room. Thus responding with whatever charm offensive you have.
2. Own up: Say 'yeah I was a mess, last thing I remember was *insert story here* I blame you'. She'll laugh or whatever then ask why it's her fault? I like to say 'I'm not going to blame myself, hey,I do remember this cool little place I went to. Let's go back there for a cheeky drink. You in??' Or something to that effect. It's all about who you are/what reputation you want to cultivate. As you've probably guess I pride myself on being a Dean Martin/Oscar Wilde type. Having an Irish accent, it goes with the territory. I am however, pretty knowledgeable about spirits, wine, beer, ale, cider, and food in general so it's who I am anyway.

In essence don't worry about it. You had fun, she had fun. Sure you missed ONE opportunity but you have created a shared experience i.e. rapport. You think you may have fucked up but hey it's a story. It is probably one of the bet things that can happen. Don't take yourself too seriously, everyone has blacked out, hell I've blacked out so much I can't remember most of my 20's......or yesterday. You're not a pussy for passing out you become a three dimensional character. You are involved in a story. It takes more strength to show weakness (sometimes) than to appear invulnerable all the time.

This is what I would do/done and will do (and yes it works).

- Jack

P.S. Don't say you remember being driven home!!! All you remember is waking up at home. Being put to bed IS lame!!


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 9:30 pm 
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Well I found out that last night while I was passed out, the girl I like was getting pretty close with her ex and they were together the whole night. I have no idea if they were making out or just chatting. Any advice on how to act when I see her at work? Should I flirt or be casual? Should I keep trying to hang out with her?


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 09, 2013 8:11 am 
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Shit......I can honestly say I have no experience here. You could try a BF Destroyer or two? Or play on the fact that they split up for a reason but in my opinion it's petty. You could be really sneaky and let her 'over hear' stories about you getting back with an ex and how shitty it was/wasn't the same etc? You could also show her some new experiences in your town. Not just the same boring ones but the cool places only you know. Invite her over to hang with you and your friends when you're not drinking. Social proof is key. What is her ex like??
I can't give you proper advice as I don't know what the situation is or how she is with you because I'm not there. My honest opinion is let it go. You probably want it because you can't have it and you can't win them all. Learn from the experience.

Can anyone else help here??

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 09, 2013 7:45 pm 
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So I found out that the girl I like was the one hanging around her ex and he doesn't really want her back. It doesn't really matter at this point. I'm learning that this girl is a little more promiscuous than I thought and I was probably just another guy she made out with months ago, I bet it was pretty meaningless to her. I'm going to have to be done with this girl as it's clear I'm into her a lot more than she's into me. Time to sarge others, oh well.


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