Hi guys.

Help me please, something is extremly wrong.

I got NO issues with phone and text game. I get them where i want(early game). My day 1's are always very nice aswell, but BEFORE it comes to a day 2, i screw up on something(certain part of mindset or rule).

For me, is day 2 the day, where i want to fuck them. But i somehow manage to scare them away, getting less confident if i dont have it on my way(missreading text messages, overanalyzing her responds, impatient, and emotions). I never had a day 3,4,5+ before. I tend to either close them or scare them off.

It feels like, i know how to deal with a girl, right to the point where i can have sex with them. But the problem is, they flake or freakout very early(i can only make it to day 2 at best as mentioned).

I want some advice, i dont know whats wrong.

Thank you.

Are you saying that you have trouble GETTING Day 2s or you once you're on the date, you have trouble closing?

If you're having trouble GETTING a girl on a date, then there is probably something wrong with your game up until that point.

If you're having trouble closing and scare the girl off, it could be a few things. You could be too needy, you could come off as too much of a player, etc.

Give me a break down of the basic stuff you do and say to girls and where you start to have problems...

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Thanks for the help mate.

I dont have any problems at all, getting a girl on a date. The problem occurs after that, where im supposed to fuck close her.

I tend to come off too strong or i cant balance between the jerk and alpha. I dont have much experience with day 2's(where we can meet on her or my place).

Thats what i think. So much, that even my last date(which was perfect in every PUA way), didnt last to a day 2. I freaked her out(text messages)and i understand why(came off too strong). I dont play tight after a date. I kinda losen up and start making mistakes.

What am i supposed to do, after day 1 and how? I guess thats my main issue.

Thanks again.

Ok, well on the date you should mainly be focusing on comfort, qualification and sexual escalating.

My mentality when I go on a date with a girl is that whether she already realizes it or not, if she likes me enough to meet up with me for a date, I simply just have to not fuck it up and make sure I escalate and I will get laid most of the time. Logistics is a big thing too (i.e knowing where you can take her to have sex with her and making sure your date is located around that area. Like, making sure you're date is located around your house so its easy to walk back to your house.)

And its not about balancing the jerk with the alpha. Those are kinda the same thing. Its about balancing the alpha/jerk with the nice guy.

If you're on a date with a girl, you obviously have attraction from her, so you don't need to focus on teasing or anything like that. I like to tease or role play a little when we FIRST meet up for the date just to respark her attraction and get the good fun energy flowing, but after that I just throw it in here and there. Like I said, if shes on a date with me, then I already have attraction, so now I need to make her more comfortable and make sure she knows why I like her. Thats SUPER important, so you don't seem like you're just a dude trying to get laid. So, make sure you qualify. If you need help with HOW to qualify, let me know.

You also need to make sure, she gets a picture of who you are and what you are all about. Shes generally not going to want to sleep with you if she doesn't at least FEEL like shes know who you are. And of course, you should keep it balanced. Like, I'll talk about fun things that I do and my friends (I talk a lot about my female friends to demonstrate that I understand girls) and I talk about ex girlfriends and girls I used to date a little, to show A LITTLE of my player side, BUT then I balance it out with talking a lot about my family, my cousins, my brother, my mom and dad etc etc.

So, I'm not sure if you're coming on too strong or not coming on strong enough. You'd have to tell me a little more about what you say in order for me to tell.
But, if you think you're coming on too strong, then any time you compliment her you should release it by teasing her right afterwards. (In reality, you don't have to tease her EVERY time you compliment her or hit on her. Knowing when to and when not to just comes with doing it a lot and learning from trial and error.) But, if you hit on her and she's like "OMG you're so cute! bla bla bla" then obviously you DONT have to tease her. But if you hit on her and she looks a little uncomfortable, the DEFINITELY tease her to break the tension (but don't tease her about being uncomfortable. Tease her for something else thats totally unrelated. It doesn't even have to make sense). Of course its not always going to be that black and white, so if you're not sure, just tease her.


If you're not coming on strong enough, then start hitting on her! Tell her WHY you like her. Tell her she's cute, tell her shes sexy and push things forward!

Hope this helps a little. I wasn't sure exactly what your problem is by your explanation, but let me know if there's something specific you want to know more about.

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Mate, thanks alot. That was very impressive.

I have reliazed that, i didnt give her the attention she deserved. There was no nice guy, only the jerk and little alpha on my recent date. Im sure, that she didnt feel i liked her or she didnt feel special.

Its me who killed the interaction, when she sent me huge a IOI after the date(text message)and i froze it(in order to not get needy and because im not experienced)and when i started to write, our interaction was shitty(after a mindblowing 80+hours of freezeout). So our interaction peaked very high pre date, and dropped very low after the date, when i tryed to save it.

Yeah great reply from DaveUrkel

Once you have the attraction you should be toning down your game and moving more towards comfort building, (showing your human side) you can always go back to attraction building again at a later stage.

Being needy is like texting her far more than she is texting you, being jealous and insecure, being afraid to lose her. That freeze out probably just made her feel like you weren't that interested in her, or you're just playing games, just remember girls have insecurities aswell, sometimes they need reassurance and a confidence boast.

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While I respect for my fellow PUA's I don't agree with all of the advice. While this may work for some I am going to speak from my own personal experience on what's worked for me:

1) Showing vulnerability doesn't raise her interest in you. Any aspect of challenge or mystery is removed once you do that. You become like every other dude. The excitement of it all evaporates.

2) High-contact and playing the texting game doesn't work. In fact, establishing no texting in the beginning by using the phone to call her once a week to set up dates is a good boundary. Texting fudges thing up all the time. Messages get mixed up, when someone doesn't repond or conversation goes dead you begin to 'wonder', and etc. etc.

3) To answer your question: Closing isn't all that bad and is quite painless. Here's how you get the drawers off:

a) You need a PLACE to f*ck her. Getting her to a hotel is HARD when you've only been on a few days.
Ideally, you need to back to your place. It'll make her more comfortable. Here's why: If she screws you it gives the image of "it just happened" to her friends and to herself. Saying let's go to the hotel just makes it all too obvious (even though she already knows that she wants it -- it is what it is)

b) Schedule your date NEAR your spot (friend's place, or something that looks like a home -- or if you're brave, a park at night with lots of privacy)

c) On the date talk about something that you have at your home that will SPARK her interest to want to see. For example: she said she loves pink straws. You can come back with: "Hey, I have a big collection of pink straws from China. These are so rare! I don't have too much time, but why don't you stop by for a few so I can show you them?" It has to be said WITHOUT hesitation and WITH LOTS of CONFIDENCE.

Once she says yes....you're over the BIG HUMP... as most of the time guys will get fed with the "Gee, it's late. I don't know."etc..

d) At this point who gives a sh*t about the straws anymore. Sit her down on the couch, talk, pour her a drink (if applicable), while you're talking give her a touch on the arm and see how she responds. If she doesn't flinch, maintains eye contact, and likes it..then

e) While talking go for a thigh touch, then go in for a kiss.

f) Take her clothes off....

g) You know the rest.........And usually in these scenarios you never wind up looking at the pink straws or anything you "came for" in the first place...


THE KEY: Make your ASK with confidence, do NOT talk about sex, and refrain from touching her most of the night. If you touch her, make out with her before you get home, and then say let's go back to my place, it'll be clear what you're going there for as you've been "escalating" all night. Don't do it. I only kiss a girl BEFORE going back to my place if I know I'm NOT getting laid that night.

Good luck man!

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Hey man, you're right about some of things you said, but definitely not everything.
Believe me when I tell you, this is totally wrong. You HAVE to show a little vulnerability. She only loses interest if you do it too much or don't balance it out. IF you don't show any vulnerability, you get the "player" classification and most girls don't want to feel like they're just another notch on your belt, so the "player" thing is no good. You only become like every other dude if you show TOO much interest. This is why after you hit on her or give her a compliment, its often a good idea to tease right after. Push pull. Its all push pull. Too much push and you seem like a player or you seem like you don't even like her at all. Too much pull and you seem needy. But there ARE points and times when you need to show vulnerability.
Why would you have to call her once a week? I set up a date on the first phone conversation. Texting is a good way to keep you on her mind when you're not calling her. You text her a little bit when you first meet her. Then call her a day or two later and set up a date for the near future. Then text her a little bit until the day of the date to keep you on her mind. Theres nothing wrong with texting.


I agree with pretty much everything else you said. The pink straw thing was weird example, but the idea of everything you said was pretty much correct. This is wrong though. You SHOULD talk about sex. But you should NOT talk about sex TOO much. You need to seem like you are comfortable with sex, so it is a good idea to tell an embarrassing sex story about either you or a friend. Telling an embarrassing sex story is good, because otherwise you could just come off like you are bragging. Or you can talk about a female friend of yours who recently had sex with a guy who got really clingy after sex and you don't understand why people get weird after sex. These types of things are good to talk about.

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