At the moment I’m still relatively new to the game, so I’m #closing everything that I can for the practice and the feedback, regardless of whether I think the chick is Date-worthy(D-worthy). Many of these #closes aren’t chicks that I would date, but would Fcuk.
I had an epiphany recently after making the mistake (again) of trying to Date a F-worthy chick. This is messing with my head because I’m putting time into day-2s and day-3s just for the sex, and then having to deal with bail afterwards when she thinks there’s more to it.

I’ve made the distinction that an F-worthy HB should be F-closed as a 1-night stand or on day2 if it was a quick #close. D-worthy HB is worth putting the time into a day-2 or day-3 and getting a solid F-close. I WON’T continue trying to date F-worthy HBs.

So this now means that I need to be pushing myself to F-close on the night or on day2. Where, normally I would find it easier to progress to the F-close over a longer period of time.

Example: Day2, I #closed a 6.5HB in a department store, after some texting and a call we went on a day 2.
After about 10minutes I could tell that her conservatism, style and life outlook meant that this wasn’t going past a day2 and that because of her shyness, she was going to be hard to F-close. So I should push for the F-close anyway, RIGHT!?...especially as she lives 5 minutes from the area that we are out!
I know that I’m not going to see this chick again, so I should be doing EVERYTHING in my power to close that night, I’m not going to see her again and she doesn’t share my social circle so who cares...
I’m not used to pushing hard on escalation and attraction building; the result is that a lot of my blowouts are soft-blowouts.
The final result was that we parted ways, with me knowing that I wasn’t going to call her again.

This is a recent realisation to me and something that I’ve got to work on. Has anyone else been making the same mistakes and got any advice on this?? Basically as Tyler RSD says “Playing, NOT to Win” but “To NOT lose!” He talks a little about this and the ‘Motivational Seesaw’ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... fANFN_8DPg#!).

i suffer from something similar at the moment. i've gone out with a lot of girls and most of them i wasnt even attracted to. made me feel like a fucking gigolo lol. now im starting to be more selective, game girls i really want.

ok, so now you can pool girls in day 2s, thats fucking awesome! next step: qualify to screen for he type of girl you want. the best part is that qualification and selectiveness is attractive. dont be an asshole about it, though. if she's not your kinda girl friendzone her and she might be able to help you find the one(s) you're looking for.

i think you need to take girls on a few dates before most of them will fuck you, but this is not true for every girl, obviously. i've fucked chicks on day 2s.

use the rutine that adam lyons teaches on the question part of some talk he gave at the 21 convention:

PUA:
hey have you seen X movie??
i've been toled its fucking awesome, we should watch it!

lets do this: i bring the movie and the popcorn, you provide the cinema

and BAM you can go to her place. field tested.

you can invite her to your place too, whatever you like. make it seam harmless: invite her to have waffles or pancakes at the end of night clubbing, for example. this is adam lyons too haha i haven`t used it cuz i live at my parents, but it sounds tight.

i think the harmless part is absolutely key. remember girls wanna be able to say "it just happened" to her friends when they tell your story. make it be that way.

btw, one thing i used that worked awesomely, i bought mnms, and when we were watching the movie, i fed them to her very sensually. this ment it was ON. after like 3 mnms, i fed her another one and then started to make out, then fucked her. kinda like the tic tac rutine maybe.

hope it helps bro

Owen.

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Owen, there are some good ideas there and some things i'm certainly going to field test. I think that my next challenge is venue changing. I seem to remember TD saying that when you're a newbie coming up you go through phases...I think that the next phase for me is venue changing. If I can get this down, doing things like you say, "back to mine for waffles or pancakes" after the club will be much easier as it's just a venue change but to my place!

Yeah I totally agree with you, they do just want to say "it just happened", and that's for dating, kissing, F-closing, the lot. I've got some Ex-s and friends that say this all the time. The advantages of leading are obvious really when you start to think about it.

Thanks for the breakdown dude!
ElTino