I’m completely new to this. I just learned about PUAs a few weeks ago, and now I’m halfway done reading The Game, and I thought I’d come here to get some advice on this girl that I’ve been seeing. We’ve gone out on a few dates, and my goal is to f-close on her. I’m not sure how to interpret her signals, so I’m asking for help from you guys. What follows is a painful amount of detail.

Date 1
Nothing significant

Date 2
•She actually suggested coming over to my place for a movie, but I am unfortunately living at home with my mom right now, so we went to a theater instead.
•She tells me that she was surprised that I called, because I didn’t seem too interested in her on the first date.
•After the movie, I suggest going to a bar for some drinks, but she’s reluctant. She ends up inviting me to her car, and we just sit there together and talk for more than an hour.
•She’s a very blunt and honest person. She tells me that it bothers me that I’m a bit shorter than her, and she says that she’s going to put me in the friend zone for awhile.

Obviously I’m not happy that she’s putting me into the friend zone, even if she leaves the possibility open of something more, so I temporarily forget about her. Surprisingly, she texts me and asks if I want to hang out.

Date 3
•There’s a good amount of kino going on. She keeps poking me in the arms and stomach. Throughout the night she complains that her hands are cold, and as a joke, she lifts my shirt and puts her hand on my stomach.
•We’re talking about working out, and she claims that she has great thighs. She invites me to feel a spot on her thighs.
•She asks me how much I can drink, and I ask her the same question back. We challenge each other to a drinking competition in the future.
•She offers to pay for the game of pool that we played.

Date 4
•I ask her to a movie and plan afterwards to spontaneously bring up the drinking competition idea. My mom goes to sleep fairly early, so my plan is to watch the movie until late, go back to my place, start the drinking competition, and see what happens.
•During the movie, my arm gets in a position where it’s up against hers on the arm rest. She looks at it, as if she wants me to move it and stop touching her.
•After the movie, she tells me that she’s going to go back home to watch her favorite TV show. I know I didn’t specifically make any plans with her for after the movie, but WTF!? A stupid show gets priority over me?

We make plans to see each other again. I ask her to come over to my place to watch a movie, but she’s understandably reluctant. She asks me a question over text about if it’ll be awkward if she came to my mom’s house. I’m not sure how to respond, so I think about it for about 15 minutes. When I finally respond, she tells me that I took too long to respond, and she’s already taking a bath and watching stuff on her computer. She says it’s too late for her to go out now. Of course, I’m super mad, but I don’t say anything to indicate that. She understands that I’m upset, so we make plans for next week, and she tells me that she’ll bake me a pie.

I ask her to hang out tomorrow night. At first she says she’s busy with a class she’s taking. Then she texts later and says that the class is canceled. I decide to try to joke around with her a bit.

Me: Aww, you missed me so much you canceled your class. That’s sweet of you.
Her: No I got a call the teacher has the flu
Me: Let me have my moment
Her: I don’t believe in false hope
Me: Omg you’re so cold!!
Her: No I’m not. I think it cold to let a person believe in something like that
Me: I didn’t really think about it like that, but you’re right
Her: I want chips

Questions
•Is she interested? Am I still in the friend zone?
•If I’m in the friend zone, do you guys see any way for me to transition to the romance zone?
•Since she’s such a blunt and honest person, do you think I should just ask her directly if she’s interested in me as more than just a friend?

Usually I start ranting and raving in my answer, and then a moderator comes and drops some answer that blows mine out of the water, but oh well (and I suppose, here's hoping that's the case again).

Im curious how you met her. There's only been one time that a girl commented on my height, and it was a girl I met for the first time from a dating site. I'm 5'8'' and she "thought you said you were 6'2" " which I found hilarious. But it seems like it's just a shit test. It seems like most of the stuff she is saying is a shit test.

She's already tried to get to your house twice. She puts her hands on you, and she's put your hands on her thighs. You need to be as comfortable with your hands on her body. Obviously, I know nothing about either of you two, but it seems like you could have gone for it Day 2. but she puts her hands on you when she wants, and when you touch her slightly, she gives a look? either move her arm, or say oh, sorry, am I touching you, then just mess with her and do it more, poke her, f- up her hair. or, see if you can find out if she's ticklish. tickling usually always ends with sex. or a black eye. or peeing.

I moved back to my mom's house two years ago when she got sick. sure, it sucked saying where I live, but then I realized, thats my own thing. Now, I say I rent a room in a house. I have my basement room or my room. It's not like the 3 of us sit around and play charades or something.

and as for the texting, you made your joke, she commented back negatively or whatever. rather than letting her take it over and give in to her "oh, youre right," I would either not respond for a little bit, change the subject, or something.

have you kissed this girl?

hopefully some of this helps or gets you heading in the right direction?

From what I can see from the 2nd and 3rd date, you are either blind (ots of IOIs) or you're only telling the good parts of the dates. Also, It looks like you had a lot of green lights until some point in the 4th date. The girl was probably expecting you to make some move during 2nd, 3rd or even 4th date. Unfortunately, you didn't try anything and she probably got annoyed by it. It looks like she lost attraction because you didn't try. I think that the mistake you made was following her instead of leading her.

My analysis might be right or wrong, but it is my best guess given what you wrote. BTW, the friendzone thing was obviously a shit test. You comply by saying "You're so cute, you're like my little sister" or whatever. However, you do the exact opposite of that and keep on escalating and kinoing.

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iamspade - Yes, that definitely helps get me in the right direction! I asked if she's ticklish, and then I put my arm around her to tickle her, and then I just left my arm there around her. It's funny how something that seemed so daunting, seems so simple and easy after you just do it. And you're totally right about the meeting her online thing.

NorthBoy - I know that I was getting some IOIs, but I've been burned pretty badly in the past even with a bunch of IOIs, so now I'm overly cautious. I know it's a bad habit, and I need to get rid of it.

I made some progress with the girl, but I'm so bad at this that it actually took me two separate dates. The first date, we had dinner, and I was able to convince her to go back to my place to watch a movie. This is the night that I did the tickle thing and put my arm around her.

The second date, she just came overly directly to my place to hang out. After kino escalation over the course of two movies, I asked her to lie down with me on my bed to watch the third one. From there I was able to get her top and bra off, but she wouldn't let me f-close. She gave me a bj instead, and it's my understanding that the next time we meet will be the f-close.

After the bj, we talked and she said that I waited so long to make a move that she was beginning to think that we were just platonic. So while I'm happy that I eventually got to where I wanted to go, I definitely realize that I did this in the slowest, least-efficient way possible. I probably even jeopardized the whole thing on several occasions. But anyway, I have two other girls that I'm talking to where I want to try to apply what I learned from this one to get a neat, clean, efficient f-close. Thanks a lot for the input, guys!!!

Btw, I had no idea what a shit test even was until I looked it up in the site glossary just right now. It's a valuable thing to recognize.

Just remember girls are little animals that like to fuck too. So don't think your putting them out by being sexual and escalating.

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