Last night I went for coffee with this girl and got almost no IOI.
Back at her place I told her I like her and stuff but couldn't kiss close or anything. We had a discussion on why am I sometimes a bit rough and I said I am honest and sincere and do not pretend to be perfect. But that in all honesty I really like her and stuff. I left the her house after being LJBFed. 30 minutes after that she calls me and tells me she really likes me and that she cares for me. wtf??

Today we saw a movie at her place. (Some flick with Lindsey Lohann being a lucky girl and crap). The movie had lots of funny parts and lots of kisses. After some good conversation and laughs and a little kino I was doing quite well. We ordered food and I negged her a bit saying she is really skinny. (she has a very nice body but I wanted to neg her cuz last night I basically supplicated). Then she goes like "there is this guy I talk on msn who says he really likes skinny girls" and I go like "cool. maybe he likes you. that's cool" (I was trying to show confidence and play it super cool).

Then the movie ended and I asked her if she wanted to kiss me. She gave me a "what are you crazy?" look and said "No". Then I joked about the fact that I do wanna kiss her. Then I did caveman 101 and grabbed her and kissed her an she was ok with it for like 8 seconds and then she is all like "No, just friends. I don't wanna get a boyfriend". Then I joke around and hold her hand and talk to her about life and how we must do things and not let disturbing ideas distract us from living and that being afraid of doing things is natural but ultimately leads to inaction and stuff like that. A philosophical justification for her to just kiss me and not think too much into it.

Now, this is sort of key. She said she wanted to be free and that she wants me as a friend. And I go like "but as a friend I cannot do all the things I wanna do, and you can't do all the things I know you would like to do. we cannot kiss and touch and smile and be happy together" all in a nice voice tone and alpha attitude. Then I continued to kiss her and this time she responded very well (I was licking her ears, kissing and smelling her chest and licking her neck and slightly biting her and grabbing her thights and hips. she was holding me face and kissing good).

THEN she said something like "friends can do some things". (**Is this a FB insinuation???)

Then she says how come you say you like me, you just told me I am too skinny. And she gave me HELL because I said (as a neg) she was skinny.
So I go like "you really wanna know how much I like you? you really wanna know how much I like your eyes, hips, legs...your smell) all in a sort of sexy (I guess) voice.

Whatever, then she got al defensive and resistant to kino so again super caveman and we kissed some more and she liked it I can tell and then I ejected. (wtf? why does she kiss me so good once I am in but says she doesn't want to kiss me or anything??)

What gives? What to do?

Please comment and flame and whatever you feel like.

should I reward her today or what?

please help me out guys!

Alright buddy... We're going back to the basics.

Triangular gazing. Look into her left eye with your left eye, her right eye with your right eye, her mouth with both. Do this twice, then pause at the mouth.

You: Would you like to kiss me?
Her: No.
You: Hey, I didn't say you could; you just looked like you had something on your mind.

Then joke, not about how you want to kiss her, but about something kiss related.

You: Have you ever noticed that Lindsey Lohan kisses like a man?
Her: Um... What?
You: Lindsey Lohan. She kisses like a guy. Guys always kiss straight-on and girls always go for the bottom lip. Lindsey Lohan always goes in straight-on, like a guy. (I have no idea if this is true. I'm making it up).
Her: No, I never noticed.
You: Stop looking at my lips. You're not allowed to kiss me.
Her: I wasn't.
You: You so were. You're a sexual predator, I can tell. (Run sexual predators here if you like, or just keep it at this.)

GO BACK TO RAPPORT BUILDING. Talk about some stuff. Anything, really. Tell an emotional story. Make her comfortable again. Be cocky-funny. Then go back to the kiss close.

And you should never neg in late game. It gets her out of frame.

Monkey, I did K-Close, but the problem is that she was calling me on the negs (your advice is correct, thank you for it!) and just didn't want to be GF. I dunno...I have built a lot of rapport and can keep building some more but I dunno if I am just spinning my wheels....I will kep you guys posted about what happens next.

thanks.

This one is hard...
I saw her yesterday and got no IOI whatsoever, very very rare eye contact (even little by the standard of regular people, like, I serve her a drink and she doesn't evne look at me, I talk to her and she looks down or something and rarely looks at me).

Saw her today and same thing, but she called me anyways.

I just dont get it.

Please throw in some ideas you may have. thanks.

You're suffering through anti-slut defence. It happens. Just plow through it, call her on it, and bring her back to a good frame. If she looks down, touch her chin and guide her eyes back to yours. It's got that "Oh my god that's so romantic" thing going for it, and it is some intense kino for you. Neg her if you have to.

In my previous post I was commenting more on this: the method of your kiss-close left a lot of avenues open for her to rescind. You don't want that. If you want to ensure that she doesn't get buyer's remorse from kissing you, you need to close off those avenues. The only way to do that is to make her feel it was HER choice to kiss YOU, and only a very strong close can do that. Practice. It'll come through better on your next close.

Also, if this one's giving you so much trouble, I suggest you move on. Work the takeaway, and let her know that you're not going to be played around with. If she wants to see you again, well alright, consider it a huge IOI. If she doesn't, at least you don't have to play her mind-games. ^_^

saw her today. went to the movies and she got a rush from merely seeing the bugs and ugly faces at Pirates of the Caribbean 2. Yeah, it's true. A rush from just seeing the movie. Actually, we switched movie rooms and saw another thing in the end.

Some serious kino going on and she was all happy and super laughing and gigling all the time and her legs were moving all the time and she was looking at me a lot.

On our way back I stopped by a drugstore and bought her some antihistaminics (whatever, don't know how to write that word) and she was a bit embarassed and she said I was being a bit exagerated so I started joking about how I rather buy her the pills than have her sister call me at 3 am and say "hey, Girlnamehere is death, her last words were...Mynamehere....He's evil....that movie...Mynamehere and she falls dead". She was laughing and she said I was childish (Is she negging me? wtf??) so I said "you gotta be childish sometimes to be happy" and changed the topic.

I dunno, it was a lot of fun and actually I think this girl is also working as a pivot since so many girls see me with her and pay attention to me.

regards to all.


Please post any thoughts, comments, you name it.

Antihistamines? What is she allergic to?

Anyway, did you manage to kiss her again? If so, why didn't you attempt to escalate? You left me with "We went to a movie, then I bought her some allergy meds." I'm not really sure how to reply to that.

Telling a girl that you like her is really flattering, but it is not romantic/ smooth. Girls see it as something you say when you're trying to get into their pants. Same thing with smothering them with compliments. So when you say "I like you," an alarm triggers in their head, and they have to THINK about whether or not they FEEL the same about you. Instead of that happening, your goal should be to just get her to FEEL the connection without THINKing about if it's there or not.

Here's an alternative line you could say (this is a NLP technique by the way). "Have you ever been sitting next to someone and realized that you are just sooo comfortable with them, and felt like you had to try sooo hard not to kiss them? And the longer you sit by them, the harder it gets... the more attracted you become?"

This is in the form of a question, but what you're really doing by asking her to think of an experience like this, is telling her to actually feel those feelings. Then, you could easily follow this up with either, "would you like to kiss me?" or, "well, I am trying so hard not to kiss you right now"

Try doing this type of line when you've already built a lot of comfort and escalated the kino. It will help.

-Z Dubya

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wow. thats incredible. .......incredible. I can see this working almost 100% of the time if you build right. I don't know if i would follow with "would you like to kiss me?" I think throwing some c&f in there would show positive results. "i know it must be rough for you right now..." or something along those lines...

You did allot of things wrong here, and I can help you out but you need to private message me.

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Negging them on their body is never a good idea, skinny girls are self-consious about their weight too, they'll only get offended, just like telling a big girl she is fat. By doing this its just like saying your anarexic. Stay away from this area.

i agree

i agree

She sounds crazy