Okay guys, first off don't answer the question cause it's rhetorical. I've seen on the forums guys are going out and meeting people in real life just to get an email address or Facebook add.... ARE YOU OUT OF FUCKING YOUR MINDS?!?

Let me explain something for you guys.... Going back to an email address or Facebook add is going backwards in the process! When you meet people online you're ONLY GOAL is to get them offline and in person as fast as possible. You do this through establishing a connection and comfort then getting a #, maybe texting, and BOOM you're on a date.....

SO WHY....WHY? would you ever ask for a email or Facebook add as a close? You just went backwards in the process.... what the hell is wrong with you guys?

Well, I will tell you what the problem is very quickly actually! The problem with a lot of you is you aren't comfortable on the phone. You aren't comfortable talking to women in person. The whole point of this stuff is getting more comfortable doing the stuff you don't necesarily like to do, or aren't good at. That's how we get better! PUSH YOUR BOUNDARIES GET OUT OF YOUR COMFORT ZONES!

I know email and facebook are nice safe little places for you to hide your baby nuts and not ever have to let her see you mess up. Screwing up and making mistakes is how we learn in life! Some cave man a long time ago screwed up and froze to death one winter, another made fire! Adapt and overcome guys!

Just so we are clear on something else since I'm on my little rant. A Number is not a close, an email is not a close, a kiss is not a close, and sex is not a close. You want a "real" close make her your wife!

PEACE And I'm outta this mother fucker!

Jon

Well, some one needed to say this. :

Cheers!

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BUMP!

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How profound is it if you know everything, but life still isn't any better!
Because you did not have the balls to DO something. To Facebook friend someone is the same as doing NOTHING!

Look at any hot girls Facebook they have 1000s of fake friends, I'm sure you'll stand out!

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I understand the premise here, but remember this is a place for people to learn and grow. It's just a stepping stone until they fill comfortable with actually stepping up and not being AFCs Most of my game is on facebook now a days but that's because that's an easy way to practice routines. If you practice where you can make mistakes and fix them it boosts confidence in real life situations. I do agree that a person should not get a chick's facebook ever. If you cannot bring yourself to number close you should at least make her add you or do the FB poke routine.

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I agree with you on this. This is a place for people to grow and learn. Keep in mind practice doesn't make perfect. Perfect practice makes perfect! We might as well practice it the correct way all the time.

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I'll give you one type of situation where FB has been helpful in my sarging... In situations where her giving me the number would give way to some social pressure: her being out with her BF, her being out with a friend/relative of her BF, her being a shy girl that doesn't like to be seen by her friends SPAM her number... All these situations prevent me from escalating further on the spot, and a FB name is much easier to remember than her digits... How else would you handle these situations? Keep in mind that I use FB as a communication tool, not as a goal in itself...

I'll happily explain how else I would handle these situations.
No problem, I don't game women with boyfriends. There are enough single women in the world I don't need the ones in relationships. If she wants to leave him for me then so be it, until then I don't go after these. Problem Solved.
If she's that shy then she's probably not my type anyways. I have met some of these girls and that's fine. In all fairness if you've done your job properly creating the right amounts of attraction and comfort this won't be much of an issue. You can always ask for the # when you are in isolation building rapport as well. When in doubt we don't get the number and we move on to someone else. No biggie!
I don't presume that I can remember her phone number for any length of time. That is why I have her put her number into my phone, or write it down.

Facebook sucks as a communication tool. You never know when someone is going to be on Facebook, how often they get on Facebook, and you are going backwards in the process of getting the girl in front of you as I have previously stated.

This is just me personally but I would rather strike out getting a number than get a Facebook contact. It's just not worth the follow up time its going to take working a Facebook contact. In the past I have too many girls in rotation to put forth that kind of time and effort watching Facebook for her messages. If I have done my job properly creating genuine attraction and rapport the digits will come easily.

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You do have a point... In any case, Facebook is here to stay, and with 900M people using it, it's kinda handy to have it around...

Well based on the way their stock is going...don't be too sure. LOL. It is going to be around for a while in one form or another. There are tons of people using it and it's a descent "alternative" way to stay in touch with a girl without texting her a lot or calling her a lot. I just don't like it as a primary means of communication.

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Facebook is very useful. May not be as good as a number, but you can fuck close with it like anything else.

If you didn't get to spend much time with her and build comfort... facebook lets her know that you have real friends who post real things on your page. So she can see you are not an axe murderer. It also gives both of you topics of conversation for the next date: oh so you like such and such band....

Its so easy to go to a party and get like 10 girls facebook. No one cares. But like the other poster said a number is more obvious if you have just met the chick. And if her friends are there sometimes you need to come up with a reason to get a number (depending on the vibe). I agree that a number is usually superior, but facebook is absolutely handy in many situations. Also through facebook you get invited to parties where you meet quality girls. Facebook guys, not just girls!

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