Hey Guys

So recently I have made an effort to come back into trying to game properly after a few years of my game going downhill .

So last night was my first night out since I made a dedication to give this a go , we had a great night going out with my team from work- lots of nice girls but I try not to get involved with people I work with. We ended up in a private booth somewhere for the majority of the night so I didn't end up sarging. But there was this girl out with us, not from work, really attractive and a lot quieter than us rowdy lot- I noticed her instantly.

Anyway I couldn't seem to bring myself to open her, she only really talked to her friend she was with. Gets to end of night and nothing happens, so I was kicking myself slightly but never mind first night back into it not going to be perfect. Anyway, the group splits , the girls taxi it to the station we walk cos its only around the corner. I get on my train on my own and suddenly the lasses come onto the train as well. Then the attractive girl sits next to me , I'm feeling slightly nervous but barrel through it, start talking. She tells me she is going to uni to do journalism so we start discussing that, and I encourage her saying she is naturally inquisitive. She talks about rich guys she has dated and starts talking about the class structure (strange but I roll with it ) and tell her about a girl I dated once who was quite posh as well and how I found it an adjustment . So we had a good but strange chat - I notice her playing with her hair and get the vibe its going well even though we had only been talking about 5 minutes. My stop was coming up so I tell her Ive enjoyed talking and go for the number close, she says snapchats easier and adds herself.

So I read RCs text guide to see where to go next, and whilst it was a really well written guide nothing seemed to click for my opener, I learned a lot I will use for next time but because I talked so briefly I didnt have any nicknames or anything to refer to her for the opener.

So any recommendations on a good opener. When I was younger I used to use " is it too soon for casual text" but I am not too sure on that one now. I dont want to go for the boring "hi/hey" either haha! I am open to try anything now, as they say if you do what you always do you will get what you always get , and for me that was a higher percentage of strike outs than I would like.

Thanks

Grafter

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" Hey whats up its Graft, What are you up to"

Seduction can be a lot more similar if men would realize that you can be normal and still get laid.

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So just keep it simple then basically , ok cool

"Are you a journalist yet?"

I agree with Eddie on it being ok to be normal. But being normal is not mutually exclusive to being fun or exciting or to adding some intrigue.

You can nail a nail with a rock, a hammer or your bare hands. The hammer is simply more effective. Doesn't mean you can't get the job done without it tho.

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Very true Ah thats a good one RC thanks man Pity I have just seen it now

Regardless, I ended up going with the simple approach and Ive got a day 2 set up to go have a few drinks after work on Monday. I just talked for a day or so then went for the confident "Id like to take you for a drink" as opposed to what I would have gone for previously "would you like to ?" .Subtle frame shift but its what I m trying to achieve.

So, like I said I am completely open to anything new, what Ive been doing for, well the rest of my life hasnt achieved the results I wanted so I am open to new things! Any tips on how to act, I am trying to break out of the old white knight/gentleman behaviour type!

That's exactly how you take off the white armor.

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Indeed.

So tonight is the night, date night ! Going for a few cocktails in town, some nice places.

I read through Eddie_Frews guide, I liked it, may throw in that cold read he talked about. Going to be beaming smile and super confident from the start.

What I was wondering though, should you kiss on the first date or not? Ive had one where I felt it would definitely not be in my best interests, when the girl was shy and I felt too much of a move would be miscalibrated.
I made a rookie mistake on another of going for the kiss at the end of the date, sort of throwing it in there, I did kiss her but it just felt weird and forced.
But whats the general etiquette,is it okay to do it or is it something that should be slowed down a little?

I was thinking the old school mystery kiss close gambit , would you like to kiss me yes-do it, maybe-lets find out and no -ok you just looked as if you had something on your mind. A kiss and then sit back, definitely dont want to do any more kino than that I was thinking on a first date.

Always kiss on a first date.

Always.

ALWAYS.

It's never in your interest not to. "Shy" is no excuse. Her shyness is not your problem to fix. She either gets over it or misses out on life's opportunities just the rest of us.
Plus what the hell does shyness have to do with it in the first place? It's not like she's the one initiating the kiss or making the move.

And don't wait until the end. That's clichee. Kiss her at a highpoint, when you're both having the most fun. It's a kiss, it's supposed to be felt, not scripted.

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There's no such thing as shit-tests.
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Most guys wait till after the date on the texts 'Tell me what you wanna do to me' because they were afraid to do it in person

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Thanks man !

She flaked, but thats fine, I realise Ive got a lot of work to do to change my game and I hadnt implemented anything when I got that number. Going out Saturday night though so lets see what happens!