I took this girl out on a casual date to drink coffee. She is a very cute, hot body, very smart and educated girl from Iran studying in grad school here in the states. The date was going fairly good, she was playful and telling me many interesting things about her. I tried to maintain the sexual tension as much as possible and she was playing along, but still not giving herself away too easy. She went on and on talking about interesting facts about her and I did a few routines on her and after about 2 hours of being there I thought it was time to give it a try to the kiss so I told her that I was curious about how Persian girls kissed giving her this look straight to the eyes and lips (she likes to say that she is from Persia... I guess because of terrorism-phobia-minded people). So when I said this, she giggled nervously while leaning away from me, and then tells me that they don't kiss? I don't know much about that culture, so I don't know if she was being serious or not. So I said, "not even Eskimo kisses?", to what she giggled again, and then told me it was late for her and was time to go... I didn't push it, and told her ok, and walked her out where we kissed on the chick and left.

So, I am wondering if any of you guys has had a similar experience. Do you think this might still work out somehow? We see each other at school from time to time, but I don't know how is she going to behave after this. Did I do something wrong?

I think it will work out fine if you put in about 15 more dates and promise to support her family. Im sure she likes the attention but I doubt a Persian girl off the boat is going to fuck you anytime soon.

Most of the middle east suffers from the Madonna-Whore complex so you are seeing the females side of the Cologne sexual gropers crowd mentality

In my opinion, if a girl isn't down for what you offer then move on. I'd give this girl another date, if she's not going to even kiss you, I'd cut her loose and move on. Don't waste your time.

Yes you did something wrong.

If you make your intention of kissing her known verbally, and she verbally agrees to it, she would've gladly kissed you back even without the unnecessary awkward pressure of having to talk about it, 100% of the times.

On the opposite side, a girl that will kiss you if you just shut the fuck up and go for it might be seriously put off by the fact that you're virtually asking for permission to do so. It takes away all the excitement and half the thrill in most cases.

Quit asking. It's seriously unsexy.

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Mhh I see... i guess you are right. I have been in moments when I detect a lot of interest from a girl and it becomes easy for me to just go for the kiss without having to say anything verbally about it, but in this particular case I found it more difficult since the girl didn't seem THAT open... yet. She was a bit playful and willing to go along, but at the same time she wasn't giving me any obvious (for me at least) signs that she was ready for the kiss. So basically even though I had tried to escalate by giving her intense eye contact, pausing while just looking at her, kinoing a bit, and I just ran out of ways to escalate more but the girl didn't seem to be there yet, and that made me feel like going for a kiss straight up would have been a bit non-calibrated. So is there a way that you would go about this in this type of situations? What would you use to escalate with more calibration and make her ready?

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It's in the name. Escalation. If she's not there yet you're not doing it right.

Touch:
- her hands to examine her jewelry.
- neck for necklass
- brush stray hairs off her face
- touch her shoulder / elbow / thigh as you talk and make highpoints
- playfully shove her when she gets cheeky
- amplify sexual tension by looking her in the eye and imagining all the nasty things you'd do to her. Just reply with "mhm" while also moving your head closer to hers with a sly smirk. Then back off.

Be a tease dude. You have to seduce her, not convince her. Most guys try to convince.

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Does she still have a chance with you after wasting your time? Thats what you should be asking yourself. And if the answer is yes. Tell us why? Why should she still have a shot at getting with you after wasting your time and exiting the date the moment you tried to escalate? You ever think of it like this?

And the next time, do not introduce or qualify the action you're about to take by saying " I want to kiss you". Stop talking about what you want to do, and do what you want to do. Theres two people in life.. There are the people who talk about what they're going to do, and the people who let the talkers watch them do it. If you're talking about it, you're probably not going to do it.

If you can't randomly go for the kiss when you feel like it, you're not ready to kiss her. No more introductions. And sure you probably still have a chance.

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Usually, if you have to ask if you still have a chance, that pussy window has slammed shut on your dick.

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Hey Eddie,
First of all thank you so much for your ever awesome advice. Every time it's like a sense-awakening SLAP to the face. I know you, and many other PUAs talk about having high value all the time and yet it is hard to adopt the mentality and I guess you are right, I was definitely not looking at it that way. Hell, even after reading about it, it's still hard to see it that way but I can understand that that's the right mindset to have, though it is hard to override believe system. As to your question about whether or not she would have another chance with me, I would say yes, maybe one more at least... I mean I still had a good time with her even though it didn't end up with a kiss. I enjoyed the conversation with her.

About the kiss part, I had a bad experience one time where I tried to fucking go for the kiss with a girl without escalating properly and it was a disaster, I mean, it was experience after all, good or bad it was experience, but I am not particularly excited to go through that again. Other moments I have found it to happen smoothly because I know the girl wants it and is easier for me but when it is not so obvious, I find it a lot harder. So if I am not sure, what should I do? go for the kiss anyways and take the risk of total embarrassment or what? In this case the "Persian girl" seemed a bit interested but I could sense that she was not there yet, so what else can I do to make her be at that point so that I can kiss with a higher chance of success?
Oh well, if this is the case at least I can say that I did my best.

I'd had approaches that were disasters. Did I stop approaching? I've ridden a bike and had a disaster. Did I stop riding a bike? Oh come on man. You can think better than that.

Its better to ask for forgiveness than it is to ask for permission. Always remember that.

And what is this girl bringing into your life? Just good conversation? Just her being pretty? Theres nothing wrong with enjoying that, but putting someone on a pedestal just because they can have good conversation is a tad bit silly. Her conversation ain't better than mine. How about you take me out on a date as well..

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Interesting ideas. kino escalations have been one of the things that I was completely missing from my previous "game" and I am starting to see the big power it has. Even though these examples might seem common sense to many, I had never clicked with doing them and they provide GREAT help. Thank you so much! I still need to practice and get more comfortable doing them.

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I would indulge in some less sexually overt KINO before getting to the kissing part. For example hand holding maybe a palm reading routine then some arm over them etc.

It should be considered that Iranian women live under religious law and thereby have underwent serious ideological indoctrination. So, she may be more difficult or impossible to close on sexually. But women with suppressed sexuality I've gathered are more likely to be nymphomaniacs and to be generally sexually amplified.

I'd give it one or two more shots, up the KINO sharply and escalate to sexual but subtle KINO so she can justify herself in partaking. Tell her that she smells good and put your nose and face next to her neck then breath warm air. Maybe justify that by explaining that a friend told you animals base most of their interactions off smell. Appeal to her animalistic instincts and hope they will override her religious programming.