Back Story

I met a Polish girl on Tinder HB8-9, (i'm in the the UK btw) i'm English with a Polish grandfather and so can speak Polish to a basic/reasonable standard so we kind of hit it off as she has never met an English guy who can speak Polish (her English is very good and better than my Polish)

We didnt meet for 3 weeks as she had to go back to Poland but we agreed to meet up when she was back and exchanged messages on SPAM, we were both going to different music festivals at the time and exchanged pictures etc

We met at a Rock Bar in the next Town to me (her Town)

The Date

I waited for her at the bar for a few minutes in this time i struck up a conversation with the HB8 barmaid not to look good just because i'm the kind of guy who talks to people naturally, so as she came in i was already having a good convo with the pretty barmaid about a rock festival we both just happened to have gone to.

When she arrived we both went downstairs to a private area and really hit it off, exchanged storys had a few drinks, it was getting to around 9 and i realised i had to leave as i was about to miss my train (i took the train as i was drinking) so i said ive had a really good night i have to go, she seemed a little upset as i had forgotten to explain i had to leave at that time, i went for a kiss anyway and got rejected.... ok i thought but i was in a hurry to leave.

We exchanged some messages, she said she was abit upset i had left so quickly and i explained why but tried not to sound like some apolagising wimpy guy, she said 'its ok i forgive you' and i thought i wont respond to that, we exchanged a few more messages and arranged to meet again which was two days ago

Date 2

We met at 5pm at the same place (maybe a mistake) i was tired aswell i had had a long weekend, the night started off okay i bought drinks and she did, it was slower than the first date and i felt some momentum had been lost (maybe i was just tired) some of the things she said were 'if you had a Polish girl i think your Polish would really improve' and 'how do you see us? do you think friends?' and at that i said 'i already have many friends' at around 7 we decided to go to another place, i let her choose as she lived in that town (mistake) it was some really well lit bar (load of crap) we had one drink and the conversation started to go stale so i said 'i think its time for me to go home' she said ok but i want to show you this place (a church converted into a bar) as we walked she said she was cold so i gave her my coat to wear (i should of tried to hold her had but didnt) we looked inside, i was pretty bored and tired by this time, she walked me to the train station and when we got there i looked her in the eyes and then went to kiss..... she pulled away, i was like smiling and just laughed and was like ok

We said our goodbyes and i txt her about 30 minutes later saying hope you got home safely she said 'yes thank you' i then said 'i have a question for you i know that you like me so why don't you want to kiss?' she said 'what would a kiss prove?' i though hmmmm and just said 'ok goodnight'

Conclusion

I didnt message her at all yesterday, basically i felt i hadn't really made any serious AFC mistakes, i can usually build rapport throughout the date as i did on the first and power through LMR and get the K or F close but it seemed asif she wasn't interested and i might be wasting my time, but... why would she bother to dress up nicely and spend the evening with me if that was the case?

I was thinking maybe invite her to my Town near my apartment so i can go in for the kill

If you can see any errors and can point them out it would be appreciated. cheers

What would a kiss prove was a wonderful shit test that you failed. If you want it I think you could still have it.

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Thanks for the post but could you please elaborate cheers

Stop being obsessed with the kiss. Just by reading your words you have put so much pressure on the kiss. I can imagine this feeling is multiplied by 10 when you went for the kiss. You then got seriously needy by asking her why didn't she kiss you. Bad move.

If you haven't already fucked it up, text her if she still wants to meet you, then:

Arrange another date, take her to your place, cook her a nice meal, escalate and then the rest should take care of itself.

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I would get her to meet you at your place. Invite her up and say you are not ready (don't be ready, make it legit). Only let her stay for a few minutes before you finish getting ready while making small talk with her (act almost indifferent during this part, be casual and comfortable but very friendly and kind.) Then when you finish take her out to a new place. Have a good time, hit it off, and transition quickly from less casual to more seductive. Immediately shift the tone of your flirtations the moment you leave your place, don't wait to get there.

The big thing here is that you must get physical with her (before you try to kiss her) throughout the night. It should last long enough to accomplish this, you should both have fun, and you should connect with her and use those moments to escalate physically. Remind yourself constantly that she wants your penis in and around her mouth (this is the best way to maintain the right type of confidence for physical escalation in my experience). Be a gentleman but be very seductive, becoming progressively more so. Do not let the night drag on if you hit a boring spot. Spend enough time to lay the groundwork, to connect with her and to do a little seduction, but if you hit a block of time with no progress you need to move her back to your place.

She will be very comfortable with the idea since you made her comfortable when she met you there by acting like a trustworthy friend. If you can, kiss her during these transitions. Leaving the venue and getting in a car/cab or getting out and heading to the apartment. Be very direct and fun about it. If you open the door for her to get in, right when she is about to sit say "wait, this isn't right" and then gently take both of her wrists and guide her to stand closely in front of you and slowly slide your hands off and down her palms towards her fingertips, and then touch her hair while looking from her eyes to her lips slowly and then kiss her. If she backs off, laugh. DO NOT BE ASHAMED of your attempt even if it fails. Talk about it openly and casually with her, laughing and having fun about it and making light fun about it, saying that she is missing out and whatnot. If you succeed, then be playful, slow, and seductive, but keep it brief and follow it with a strong look in her eyes and a smirk and then continue talking like nothing happened, then get her back to your place and do it again, but continue it into a makeout session instead. Remove clothes during makeout session. Kiss other parts of her and move south. Guage her reactions and be as rough or as gentle as you need to be. Stop after you tease her panty line. Take her hands again to lead her to the bedroom. If she says "too soon for sex" reply with "just say 'when'" with a smirk and continue to gently pull her to the bedroom. Go from there. Once you are tonsils deep in her, and you are doing it right, she will ask if you have a condom and you of course will. Hand it to her, make her take the next step to committing to it, make it truly her decision to f*** you and then rock her world like it was exactly how you planned all along.

Things will change, you must adapt and never show embarrassment or nervousness. Nothing is embarrassing if you don't act embarrassed.

Works for me every time, almost exactly like that.