Approach, number close good. Text needed work but is getting better. Phone convo is strong and I have had zero problems getting first and second dates.

The problem is that I always blow it somehow right before sex. I'm not sure if its my approach or what but I had 3, HB7-8 this month that I lost just as sex was on the table.

This last one bothers me the most because she was on the rebound and gave me every reason to believe she wanted it. Here is what happened.

Met this HB8 waitress. The manager was her ex, they just split. We talked n texd for days. A lot of the convo was about her ex but I didn't mind since it gave me a good go-to topic when our convos went dry. Once I opened her up and got the focus on me I got her to play 1-10. She turned it sexual before I had a chance to. Asking my dick size and pussy eating ability. I also made sure I always threw in direct sexual advances in my text and phone convos.

We both work so going out wasn't easy. Our first date was at her place. It was just talking. No touching or sexual talk but we enjoyed each others company. I had to work that night so it was what I expected. Kept the interest and sexual talk high until our second date which was at her house again. She was very cold and reserved. Convo was super dry so I brought up her ex because I noticed her texting when I wasn't looking. She goes "oh I haven't spoken to him in a week".

I don't believe it for one second but I didn't let it show. Her phone rings. She says its him but doesn't answer. She actually lets me hear the voicemail he just left spilling his guts. First thing out of his mouth is that he's been calling for days! She wasn't lying. Anyway for the first time she asks me about my past relationships and I tell her a hilarious and true story which broke the ice and we were back talking like before.

We put on a movie and I'm thinking of ways to kino her but ironically she can't keep her hands off me for one reason or another. More good signs right? She knows full well I want to bone her so why would she touch me if she wanted no parts of me in that way? OH BTW! In a previous convo we had she mentioned that she was into women so I brought it up. I showed her some chicks in my phone. (DHV?) She took a liking to a few of them.

One of them I had a sex video with. She asked to see it and I said no. She then demanded to see it and I still refused. It pissed her off and she went dry. I felt it and tried to leave but she wouldn't let me. I ended up staying till she fell asleep. Next day we talked as usually. I brought up vday and told her I wanted to be with her. She asked what I wanted to do I replied everything lol she asked what was everything and I laid out a night that included sex.

Her exact words through text was "if it happens it happens but why the rush for that?". The way she put it made me feel like I had her in a choke hold and making her fuck me. My ego, pride, and frustration kicked in at that point so I told her to decide what she wanted to do and let me know. That was 2 days before vday and we haven't talked since.

This is how my last 3 targets went. They all seemed ready for sex but after I make my move there is a disconnect. Is my approach wrong? Too direct? This is starting to screw with my confidence. This chick gave me every ioi, she was lonely and on the rebound, she's into girls. This makes me feel like a loser for blowing it.

99% of the time, talking about having sex with the girl BEFORE it actually happens is a gaurunteed way to balls it up (unless it's done jokingly... I like to create the frame the SHE'S trying to seduce ME and I'm "not that type of guy"... usually creates a lot of laughs). It's almost like doing or saying something that assumes more familiarity/attraction with the girl than you actually have, which is a great way to kill attraction.

You went wrong when you laid out that Vday that included sex. I don't think you fucked this one up, but stop bringing up the topic of sex between you two. There's a difference between talking about sex in GENERAL or even sex YOU or SHE has had with SOMEONE ELSE, and talking about sex between the TWO of you. It ruins the natural flow of things because it's such a highly-charged topic and it's on both of your minds, except society dictates she can't act like she's too eager. If she joined in on the topic of you two smashing, which pre-supposes that you're going to fuck her, she might feel like a slut.

It's exactly like she said.... if it happens, it happens. And don't ever let what a girl says about sleeping with you influence your game... most of it is just ASD (i'm currently dating a girl who i had a lot of sexual talk with... i did something similar to what you did here, brought up the topic of us having sex. Whenever I did that, she got all serious and said "This isn't sexual"... i realized I was fucking it up by doing talking about us having sex, so i stopped. About a week later, we had sex.)

Simple solution: stop talking about you two having sex before it happens (unless the energy of the convo seems to be going that way) Freeze her out another day or 2 and resume as usual, minus the talk of you two boning. Pretend like it never happened, and if she brings it up for w/e reason, take her attitude towards it... "if it happens, it happens".... even though you KNOW it will happen as long as you play it cool

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^Everything you said is 1000% correct.

In fact it's all something I already knew I just never had anyone to confirm it.
However there is a specific reason for me trying to "confirm" sex. I went out with this chick that I was just friends with for months. She had a bf. Long story short we went out after they split. We hit the club together and she got blasted! I followed her home and she invited me in. Basically she threw herself at me. I went in for the kill but she had passed out and was snoring before I could get her bra off. I figured it wasn't worth it and there would be another oppertunity so I played the gentleman and left. The next day I tell her I want to come over and finish what we started. She said come on over. I get there and before I can sit on the couch she tells me to follow her to her bedroom.

We both lay down together and start talking. I'm grabbing tits n puss and just going to town. She looks at me and go... How you just gonna molest me? I'm like huh? Shes like I don't really appreciate you sucking my tits and grabbing my pussy like wtf dude you scaring me. I have the most stoned look on my face as she's dead serious. I end up leaving like wtf just happened. Turned out she had no recollection of her actions the night before. We eventually did have sex but my ego was bruised something awful for a week so to avoid wasting my time and/or gettin pissed because things didn't turn out how I planned I try to get a straight yes or no answer that way I can go in with the right frame of mind. I haven't called this chick but after reading your thoughts I'm pretty sure she felt like shit after what I told her. Not sure how to contact her or if I even should. None the less, great advice. Exactly what I needed to hear.

No problem dude. That's a shitty situation but it's pretty out of the ordinary... I wouldn't let it influence your game in general (i mean, she passed out from being so drunk... that usually doesn't happen). It would be great if we could get a straight answer out of women about this kind of thing, but as you know, that's never possible. The best way is to infer the answer from their behavior, attitude, words, etc.

I'm the kind of guy who doesn't like to bullshti around and likes a straight answer, but whenever I try to get one from women, it only ends up hurting my progress. Better to just go with the flow.

As for this girl, like I said just wait a day or 2, then text her as your normally would and pretend that you never brought up the topic of sex between you two. My situation was almost identical and that's what I did. And if she does bring it up, play it off with a joke. For instance, the 2nd time I made this mistake, the girl said, "there you go, assuming this is sexual again...."

So I respond with, "There you go, assuming I was talking about sex..." (what she was referring to was kind of ambiguous, but you get the idea).

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Dude I never let a broad talk about an ex. To me that's friend zone right there so switch that shit around and laugh it up about your worst dates ever or something funny with a positive tone. Who knows, maybe her ex beat her so you don't want her mind going into a depressing state. Know what I'm sayin?

Mods we need a facepalm smiley up in here.

Easy tiger...Remember men are like light switches and women are like ovens. Sure you both were ready to bone down the day before but now it's a new day so you have to work her back up into that mood. What I do is as were talking on the bed I listen while playing with her hair. Then some neck play with some kissing and get romantic as fuck before you grab her puss.

^^^^ This. 9000%.

I made this mistake once and it cost me a really cute fuck buddy. Never again.

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