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PostPosted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 7:00 pm 
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Ok so I am very new to the game and have only really started trying to put it into practice over the last week or so. Already I am feeling and noticing the benefits though, I am walking taller, speaking louder, smiling all the time and working the room wherever I go. Add to this the fact I am making and retaining eye contact with everyone I meet and I seem to be attracting more people every day.

My problem is that I still havent been able to close anything, not even a kiss so far. Here is an example of last nights relative success/failures:

Girl 1: Nice pretty scottish girl who it turns out went to same uni as me. Opened fairly easily and chatted away very friendly about college then transitioned into life, work, ambitions etc. We had a dance and she always gave me a smile everytime we made eye contact. She was getting a lot of other attention from other guys too though and one guy in particular was very hands on with her, I thought bordering on sleazy, but she didnt seem to mind. I enjoyed the rest of my night chatted to other people including her and in the end this guy went home with her having spent most of the night trying it on with her. I was slighlty dissapointed but in a way glad I didnt spend all night trying it on with her while missing out on all the fun I had with my friends.

Girl 2: Hot girl who I was having great fun with, teasing, making jokes, dancing a bit etc. She dropped her boyfriend into the conversation very early on and continued to refer to him all night to every guy that approached. By this time I had given up trying to pull her but decided to continue just having fun with her as I enjoyed her company and it doesnt help to be seen with a hot girl haha! As the night went on she got more and more friendly, smiling broadly every time we locked eyes, calling me over from accross the room to chat, coming over to me on the dance floor etc but never really let anyone on the floor get very touchy. I definitely got the most of her attention but I think I was firmly in the friend zone by the look of it.

Girl 3: Chatting away, teasing and flirting a bit. I was her dive master for her first scuba dives so I already had some high value! Wen danced on the floor (getting very close, grinding etc) then went and sat down again where she complimented my dancing. I replied "its one of my many talents" with a cheeky grin which she replied "hmmm you will have to show me them sometime".... Im in right!?? NO! She went to the bar and I got chatting to hot girl 2 for a while. By the time we reconnected she was dancing with another friend who got a kiss close but no more. I know I blew this one but just couldnt seem to think of a smooth way to transition from sitting and talking to more!

It might sound like a strange one but I have no problem approaching women, my anxiety kicks in when I have to escalate or actually make my intentions known! Are there any tips or tricks I can use or have you guys got any good advice to help me over this bump??

Since I have started using game my confidence is rocketting and I feel like there is a beast inside me waiting to be released :)

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 10:09 pm 
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It sounds to me like you're not escalating really.

A couple thoughts,

Girl One: It's hard to say exactly since I wasn't there, but I think that maybe you should've negged more and upped the kino

Girl Two: I don't think you were in the friend zone. If you gave up trying to pick her up and just had fun with her I can guarantee you that she noticed and wondered to herself, "why isn't he trying to pick me up?" Remember also that "I have a boyfriend" is a knee-jerk response for a lot of women, they say it for a lot of different reasons, even if they don't have one. If she kept getting more and more friendly and called you over from across the room to chat, and going over to you on the dance floor, those sound like IOIs to me. Like I said before, hard to say for sure since I wasn't there, but I don't think you were in the friend zone with this one. Had you escalated and kinoed I think you would have been in.

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I replied "its one of my many talents" with a cheeky grin which she replied "hmmm you will have to show me them sometime"
Say, "how about right now?" motion her over and act like you're giving her a palm reading or something, maybe even a shoulder massage. You don't have to know what you're talking about with the palm reading, you just have to act like you know what your saying. People generally don't question people when they seem like they know what they're doing. Of course, if you do know what you're talking about that's great.

Anywho, those are my thoughts, feel free to take them with a grain of salt.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 18, 2009 5:35 am 
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Thanks for the reply Tony DiNozzo and I agree with what you are saying about not escalating and I could have done more in either case.

The problem I have is that I always seem to back out at the last minute when it comes time to close or else I wait too long to try it. Another dilemma I always have is how much effort I really wanna put into one girl on a night out with my friends. I thoroughly enjoy nights out and having a laugh with my friends and I think even though I could get more women it would be a step down in happiness for me to spend my whole night trying it on with random women!

Also how much and how soon should I start to escalate?? I often see these sleazy guys with hands all over women, who clearly dont enjoy it, and would cringe at the thought of being seen as one of them

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 18, 2009 11:21 am 
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1. Kino escalate: from touching her shoulder when you make a point, to holding the small of her back whilst your talking, to holding her hips while you dance, to kissing, etc. Move up the ladder, always be the first to break kino, and NEVER look where you're touching.

2. Break rapport: neg, or disagree with her. Do this as soon as you have rapport. She will try to build the rapport back up, and this generates attraction.

3. Make her qualify herself to you: you have standards, "I only really like girls who are adventurous and outgoing because they're just fun to be around. (Are you?)" This puts the whole interaction in the frame of her trying to win you over, by doing the exact kind of things you want her to. Reward her qualifying herself with kino.

4. Test her compliance: "I'm going to talk to these guys a sec - grab me a drink at the bar yeah?" "Sit over here." "Come outside for a minute." Reward compliance with kino. Punish non-compliance with a kino break.

5. Qualify her (once you have comfort, IOIs): "you know, you're one of those people who I can actually have a real conversation with and feel really comfortable around - that's rare, and I like that." Try to find out what she really wants to be valued for (NOT looks) and qualify based on that.


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Another dilemma I always have is how much effort I really wanna put into one girl on a night out with my friends. I thoroughly enjoy nights out and having a laugh with my friends and I think even though I could get more women it would be a step down in happiness for me to spend my whole night trying it on with random women
Well try this out then:
" Hey, listen, I'm really enjoying this conversation we are having(you are really turning out to be someone fun/ etc...). I have to go back to my friends or else my picture is going to end up on a milk carton. Put your number in there and we'll catch up soon (or do X if you clicked on something common you like)."

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 22, 2009 4:56 am 
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Time constraint, my man.

"I've got five minutes to spare."

"My friends are waiting for me, so I have to keep this one short."

Whatever... a perfect number-close, however:

Point your phone or a pen and a piece of paper at her torso; she'll grab it because it's uncomfortable.

Say something along the lines of: "Give me your number and I'll give you a call when I feel drunk and lonely."

1. Don't ask for her number, tell her to give you her number.
2. Do it in a funny way.

That line about calling when drunk and lonely NEVER failed me. Never.


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