Ive been bangin my head against the wall about this and about my mind going blank about what to say and memorizing stuff- all of which disappears when the moment of saying something arrives- then just today I decided to just ask her what was bugging me about approaching.
Me- 'Hi excuse me! Does it offend you that a guy randomly just stops you in the street and says hello?'
Her 'no it doesn't'
me 'and to say that I find you attractive?'
her 'no (laughs) its ok!'
Then I said 'cool' and just walked on. Point is before that I was really stressed about bottling an approach with a HB8 Just cause I couldnt find an appropriate thing to say to her which didn't seem odd. I can say hi to most girls now but pushing the conversation with this memorized stuff is just too hard and try hard.
I mean can I just go through the entire interaction by just saying what I honestly just want to say without even thinking about all these routines and step by step guides ?
Or will it just get me friend zoned?

it depends

if you're afraid of being friendzone just make sure you get some games going on and kino escalate


since this seems to be your style, you deff need to read some David DeAngelo stuff, it'll help a lot

also MM's inner game stuff would do too, but check out DDA, it's way more generic and brings out the cool you easier

cheers and gl

A moment of revelation yesterday was caused out of approaching in the first place.
When I go out sarging and clued up with all the bullshit that people say I should do and remember and feeling pretty useless cause I don't know if i'le be able to pull all that shit off, I see a sexy bitch i wanna meet, go up to her and fail to even say 'Hi'.
THEN I feel fucking angry and then the real motivation to approach comes out of sheer frustration to say something. This then overcomes my fear and I say what I want to say to her and it is genuine and she loves it!
Trouble is then I don't know what to say next without it being try hard as the frustration to approach is gone and a new frustration comes along about what to say next. BUT I'm in the field and it takes time for the anger to build and overcome the fear to push myself to say what I really mean, and of course the time of opportunity is passed.
If I just use canned material I don't feel genuine and my feelings just fizzle out.
Just telling me what to do doesn't work how do I keep these genuine feelings of pain to say what I really mean in the moment, all the way through to asking her out etc.
The fact that not many guys get good at this says to me there's something fundamentally missing from the motivation side of this.
But i'snt this when everybody teaching doesn't have a clue and backs out saying 'Well Its up to you pal' .
Thats bullshit because if it were up to me Id find a way to keep me in pain pushing my real feelings out to a girl and probably be successful.
I fucking want this to happen but I don't know why my feelings just fizzle out.
Sticking point I just go round and round on! lol

It's no big deal pal.

The fact that you are struggling to memorize lines and routines is actually good, it means that deep inside you know that is not the answer.

When I was starting (5 months ago) I read the MM and while reading it I was just trying to understand it, I found most of the lines or routines in there were extremely over the top and I thought could not use them in a normal conversation e.g. daygame.

I am actually glad for that, by not trying to memorize the lines I did not end up as one of those losers who try to imitate the guy. (Man, if I hear the "I need a female opinion" opener again, I am going to snap).


Bottomline is openers, lines and routines work but they actually work 10X if you come up with them by yourself. A basic for this game is creativity, most guys don't seem to understand that.

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One advantage of using genuine questions is that you can simply use the genuine question to open.

For example, I was out with my friend, and we were looking for nice desserts to eat after dinner.
So we went around the mall, asking random girls what were their favourite desserts, and where is it.

It opened lots of sets, but too bad, none of them joined us that day

You know, this site asks a lot from guys. To go out on my own (in my case) to go see someone I like, to strike up a conversation with a complete stranger (hard enough) and then be told to try and remember new techniques of attraction and lines and then be told its not a linear process of attraction etc etc. and supposed to make head or tail of it.
To stay non-needy and detached from the outcome, staying assured and powerful.
I cant learn kino unless I am able to strike up and hold a genuine sounding conversation consistently with a stranger and unless I'm good at holding a conversation with family and friends , how the heck am I supposed to hold one with a stranger whilst practicing so called attraction techniques.
I just think that a lot more self congratulation is required instead of push ahead cause this stuff is hard.
I think the main thing is being able to talk to strangers and get comfortable with that before ever moving into consciously attracting someone.

No one ever said this was going to be easy, specially if you haven't killled your AA and neediness.

But hey, if winning was easy, everybody would be a champion.

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yeah yeah i am sayin that i got beautiful women texting me (at least) and two months ago i would wet meself jusat ta;ling to them X

Pierce,

I'm in the exact situation. I memorized the lines, read MM, but realized in the field that I couldn't get myself to approach a HB and say the ridiculous lines I'd memorized...why?

Because I"m still an AFC, and to be able pull off those crazy lines you have to have great inner game and confidence - something that I don't have yet. Also, you must have the experience to believe that those lines work - you and I both seem to be skeptics (even though we've seen them work).

I watched some Youtube vids and saw an interaction that I really liked...it was from an Aussie guy on the street. He opened by asking for directions...generic, natural. He negged her a couple of times, said he was meeting a friend, and the girl was just about to leave when he stacked the openers and said, "I know you have to go but reallly quickly, I need your help." He then used the tattoo opener.

That seems so much easier to me...instead of the initial opener use it as a stack/routine. It'll come much more naturally and won't feel so weird since the initial convo is opened.

Hope this helps.

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