When opening singles or 2+ sets, if they receive the opener very flatly, like "hum", in other words, not friendly or open.... should start right away with my 1st thread or is that low value? Or should I address the lack of excitement in a funny they had for my opener?

You make them seem like a lame boring person.

For example, if you are out at a bar/club and you go make an approach and they give you the cold shoulder. Ask them "What was your purpose of coming out tonight?" they may say "what?" then you can say something along the lines of "why would you come out to a place like this is your just going to be boring, because personally I go out to have fun"

They should accept your challenge

What horn said^

i would say things like

- Damn you 2 seem live and cheerfull today(with my eyebrow raised, and stern face)

- what the hells up with you. smile a little
- wtf you like this with everyone you meet?

its cocky playfulness, neg them in a way that triggers curiosity, and smile/laughing.
I say those things and i can push pull for hours.

What was the opener you used, how did you deliver it? Where are you trying these? Indirect, 5 second, FTC. Maybe they didn't understand the opener.

well since its a opener im asumming it was a question and if you get a simple "hum" i would reply with a neg to show her, her answer was not acceptable such as "geez woman your no help... but ill let it slip this time" then immediatly stack with another opener... oh yea and if its a 2+set make sure to ignore the target and engage obsticle and neg the target till A3... if she shows signs of being bored tell her "hey parties over here" then stack

That response that you're getting is quite common, we can't expect every girl to respond with enormous excitement and throw herself into your frame and game. That 'hum'-response means that either;

-She has low interest but because she's polite she'll talk to you a bit.
-She has interest but because she's shy she'll be afraid to immediately open up to you.


1. You can choose to go 'aggressive'- (like hornetss suggested).
Positives
-It's quick. She'll either immediately attempt to blow you out, or she'll dedicate herself more. This makes that type of response a great filter, if she's not interested it'll take you 5 seconds to find out and another 5 to go talk to the next girl that will be. (And so forth.)
Negatives
-A shy girl that is interested might blow you out because you're still very unknown to her. When you mix that shyness with the ultimatum you're basically giving her you'll often get the 'flight'-response and she'll attempt to blow you out.
-A girl with low interest who's just being polite will blow you out. On the one hand a good thing, on the other hand, if you had not given her this aggressive line, and had thrown in another 1 or 2 minutes worth of game, she might've warmed up to you and find you to be an awesome guy now.

2. Or you can continue gaming:
Positives
-The shy girl will become more comfortable with you, reducing her shyness and giving you an awesome and interested girl to game.
-The low interest / polite girl might start to think you're a pretty awesome guy, again, giving you an awesome and interested girl to game.
Negatives
-If the girl isn't interested and is just being polite this can be a bit of a waste of time. (On the other hand, really fighting this uninterested girl to try and make her like you can an awesome experience and great practice.)



Advice: I'd try both out, if you just keep approaching you'll get a feel for what'll work best for you on what type of girl.

-ZeroValley