so recently my friend has been tellin me about this girl he knows who is a hb10. he has already got a girlfriend so he has been telling me to make a move on her. i have never talked to her before but i prepared a routine to run on her. my friend told me she went skydiving the other day so im gonna incorporate that into my routine. here is what im gonna use. keep in mind we dont know eachother and havent been introduced. im gonna use this at a bar with her.

opener
me-(laughing) hey i need your honest opinion on something? do i like gay?
her-blah blah blah
me-(DHV) cause the other day i was on tour with my band playing a show in florida and we decided to go skydiving. the instructor i went with was gay and was hitting on me the whole time. i felt kinda nervous jumping with him attached to my back.
her- blah blah blah
me- (response to what she says) i gotta go though, whats your name?
her-blank
me-alright blank i am blank (give her a high five)
me- woah let me see your hand again (take her hand and look at palm)
me- (look up smile at her) hahah wow that is interesting?
her- (hopefully she asks what is interesting)
me- well i was on tour with (famous band) and their lead singer taught me how to read palms.
her- no wayy, read mine!

midgame
*read her palm
i need some funny/negs to throw at her here. if you guys could help me with this part.

closing
me-do you come to this bar a lot
her-yeah sometimes during the week not too much
me- well hey you should take down my number if you ever want your palm read again

i need help with the midgame. thats where i dont know what to say during the palm reading. if you guys have any helpful things to say and things i should work on i would appreciate it. ill comment your posts as well with the best of my knowledge[/b]

take down your number if she wants her palm read again?

this girl is hot...that's it SO ARE MILLIONS OF OTHER WOMEN

Try making a real connection. Find some common ground to talk about.

You didn't go skydiving. So you're making up this lie about it just to talk to her. You're already lowering your value behind the scenes to pickup some chick you haven't even met or gotten to know at all. This will only lead to further chasing and creepy stalker behavior.

Stop treating women like they're your prize to win. They are people. Treat the situation like you were meeting a person you're not going to fuck.

Here's how you get laid.

Keep eye contact.
Kino escalate.
See if she qualifies.
Tell her she qualifies. (hit on her once she qualifies for you)
Work out logistics.

Most of all dont be a pussy. If you can't get over rejection you won't get passed the moment where you have to make a move. Sometimes you just have to go with your gut and make it happen if the moment doesn't present itself to you in a convenient fashion.

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a major part of pua is lying. look at all the openers guys use. i would say 90% of them are lies. lying is part of the pua game.

Not if your a natural

there's a difference between "make believe" lying and lying because you creeped on this girl before even knowing her, so you can get a fake connection going.

it's needy.


its different than saying you're a disposable lighter repairman or that you're gay. it's not for the sake of fun.

But whatever. Fuck it. You should tell her you went skydiving. Then you should tie her up in your white van and throw her in the freezer. She can't reject you that way.

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hahaha ok bro, lets relax mr pua. sorry your not doin good with girls yourself and gotta act big over the internet

haha sorry i dont have find out information about women before meeting them, so i can make up something false to go off of. my point is - it's fucking desperate and creepy.

I can appreciate the "lie" for fun situation, but in this case, it's going overboard. that's all i'm saying.

When you're at the bar, it's virtual reality.

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But saying you skydive and are in a band are pointless unless you actually are. You'll just get caught out eventually and it'll knock your confidence. You asked for advice on your routine and got it. It's certainly a good start though!

Well, realising that this opener is quite blank.. What IF the girl actually likes skydiving, what then? You're standing there with your opener, it's worth jack squad. Don't talk about past things or something tell her something about the future, that you so badly want to do .. will work better and it's reality.

Don't fake something for the sake of getting her interest.. Bleh!

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Doesn't MM suggest you never ask a girl if you "look gay"? It gives them the opportunity to shoot you down straight away.

I wouldn't have lied about the skydive either, but I am better at more natural game than canned. I suck when using canned material. Whatever works for you man. Good luck.

haha good luck starting with two lies.

If you're looking for some negs, it's easy. After you demonstrate some palm reading-

pua: huh that's weird
hb: what?
pua: oh never mind, I shouldn't say anything
hb: haha come on tell me
pua: well....your hands are kind of manly
hb: omg what!
pua: haha just playing, i love em, in fact i'd like to do some more palm reading, but I need to run, what steps can we take blah blah blah

The lie about the skydiving seems ill-advised to me; she's been skydiving, she may want to talk about it and if you haven't been skydiving, you'll probably come off badly. I'd also stay away from the "on tour with my band" lie (if it's a lie) because again, it's something interesting that she'll probably ask you about and that you'll struggle to talk about.
Personally, I try to avoid any large lies - the extent to which I'll lie is saying something like: "my buddy asked me the other day about...", he didn't really but I'm introducing a topic of conversation or I'll say something humorous that's obviously not true!

With regard to the whole name giving thing, I like to ask her name (or introduce everyone around me) without giving mine. She usually asks me for my name at this point and I tell her to guess, when she undoubtedly gets it wrong I say: "oh my god" as though she's right and follow up with "... No." before I actually tell her.

"well i was on tour with (famous band) and their lead singer taught me how to read palms."
This line really jars with me, it sounds very fake, it sounds like you're aiming to impress. I don't think her response is likely to be: "no wayy, read mine!" but closer to "Oh, really? That's nice." (polite but disinterested).

Closing with "well hey you should take down my number if you ever want your palm read again", seems very poor to me. She'll take down your number but she probably won't call and you're making yourself seem like a bit of a dancing monkey. A better close would be: "Right, I've got to go but we should definitely hang out sometime, give me your number and I'll give you a call".

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