I am somewhat able to approach girls that are alone or with a couple of friends.

However, I want to be able to confidently walk into a group that's already very talkative and has lots of guys and hot girls (which is where most of the hot girls reside). However, I do not feel comfortable using "canned techniques" like the "cologne opener" or the "do I look gay with this" opener and such, partly because I have this fear that some people in the group may have already seen it done before, and partly because it feels like lying (which is uncomfortable and would ruin my confidence).

I would like to hear some suggestions. Should I just walk in to a group of 3 guys and 2 hb's that are already laughing and having a great time, and say something generic like "hey you guys having fun tonight?"? To me it seems like it would be not only awkward and intrusive, but also not funny/attractive enough.

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In a mixed set situation, I've always found that approaching the guys first and ignoring the girls is the easiest and best way to go. In this situation, just talk start talking with guys like you would normally do. After disarming the guys, go for the girls.

Depends if you are in the bar or on the street. For street game I typically just listen to something I heard them say and drop in with "Ok, I'm TOTALLY evesdropping here, but (bla bla bla comment on subject)."

-Jesse

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Dude, you just take the thing that is like the cure for your problems and say that you dont wanna do it. And you are looking for an alternative. Let me tell you, that is the alternative.

The optimal thing is to just walk up to the group and say, hey people, awesome party, Im XXXXX. That is called going direct. You dont have to worry about lying or anyone having heard it before. However, if you dont feel secure enough to even use the indirect game I dont think you will fell ok to go direct either.

About the guys having heard the shit before, make up your own opener man, thats what the experienced people do. You can open with anything.

Lying, thats just an excuse, I have heard and seen it countless times. You are making excuses to not approach because you are intimidated. Come on, we all lie, all the time. A mother telling her child the story of Sleeping Beauty, is she lying? No! She is telling a fictive story for the childs entertainment. To make the child feel safe and cared for. To make it feel good before going to sleep.
Why would an opener be any different? You are telling a story. Its not like you promise them that you are the president of Utopia. You create an excuse to have a conversation.

So get out there, man up and stop worrying about shit that only exists in your own head.

I know you can do it!

PS. Everybody (almost) feels uncomfortable before they get used to it, it is not a valid excuse.

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