I wasn't sure where in the forum to post this so I went for opening since that seemed most relevant. MOD's, if this is in the wrong forum then my apologies. Do let me know and I'll move it... Or you can (I'veno idea if thats possible). Anyway, if this is in the wrong area, my bad.

Basically, as the title suggests, I am having problems from the off. I cannot engage a group and feel inclined to quickly eject a short while after receiving no responses (which I think are actually worse than a negative one, weird huh). I've been testing a bunch of different openers, direct and indirect, which others have claimed worked for them, yet I'm still having problems.

My fellow PUAs that I sarge with say that my body language and style are all good. The one thing they suggest I work on is vocal tone and projection, so if anyone has any advice on that (I kinda have a teenage sounding, almost strained voice when speaking :/). However, I'm not entirely sure this one thing could be making me not engage groups at all.

I can sometimes engage a group that someone else has opened (when acting as a wing, speaking to the friend etc.) but I cannot open a group myself. Obviously this is bad because it means I'm relying on others to open. Also, it feels a bit selfish on my part, as I'm not opening any sets for them to come wing in (I doubt they mind though, but I still feel guilty).

I've been practising only in nightclubs, I dunno if that's important. I generally have to lean in pretty close for girls to hear me, they can definitely hear me when I do this, but I guess it could be effecting body language.

I dunno what I'm doing wrong, if I'm not transitioning well (although it rarely gets to that stage due to them not being engaged in my opener).

I've only been practicing game for like... a month? maybe less... So maybe it'll boil down to experience.

The thing is, I'm not even sure if I get AA during night game (day game may be a different matter, I'm very intimidated by day game SPAM) it's just nothing is hooking. At the moment it kind of goes: I turn up at club, I feel really energised and optimistic, I then open a few sets badly (I guess), then slowly my enthusiasm fades with each rejection. I know this last part is bad and could be due to poor inner game, rejection should not phase me, but it still kind of does and I wonder how you guys get over that.

I hope this thread doesn't sound TOO negative btw. I'm not trying to be that at all, I just genuinely need advice. I'm not saying this stuff doesn't work either, of course it does, I've seen it. What I'm saying is SPAM I'm having difficulties making it work for me and I'd like advice from people with more skill and experience than I have (which is pretty much every member of this forum) =]

Hope to hear from a lot of you.

Peace,
-Napalm

i Napalm

Appreciate where you are coming from.

I have only really started doing approaching as well since the New Year started. I suppose from mid-January.

I personally prefer to do something a teacher called “hyper honest” approach. I go up to a girl or group of girls and tell them about my personal resolution to talk to cute girls and I noticed her/them so I thought I would come over and say hello.

A lot of PUAs would disagree with this saying that you should neg and go indirect. For me I’d be more nervous with the indirect approach, afraid that the girls would find out I didn’t really have a friend with a jealous girlfriend, etc…….

I’m still learning – day and night.

I think it is important to remember your little successes. You can wing very well in night-game and you don’t feel any negative emotions/anchors about talking to women. Those are victories you should remember.

For me, I stopped 2 blondes (separately) yesterday while doing some direct street day game. I didn’t get any numbers, but it was a victory for me because I previously would have thought these girls “out of my league”. When one of them played with their hair seconds after my opener, I ate it up in my memory banks!

Club game is going to be hard because of the volume of the music. I find it hard too, which is why I prefer quieter bars because you can hear what each other is saying.

Maybe try practicing there first? I even had a thought about doing some night game on Sunday nights where I live.

Think about it: not as many people are out and the crowds aren’t there. You can just talk to people without as many excuses holding you back.

Maybe that could work for you?

Hope some of this helps. Like I said I’m a newbie too.

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"Too much patience will get you nowhere" - Doctor Who (Tom Baker)

sometimes engage a group that someone else has opened (when acting as a wing, speaking to the friend etc.) but I cannot open a group myself.