I successfully opened 5 out of 6 with "hey, how is your night going?" tonight. Once you get past that and in to conversation, girls don't even remember how you open them. As long as you open confidently, you can say anything. And I got 5 numbers, 4 make outs, and pulled one for a venue change. So far I've cut openers and DHV stories out of my game. I think if you qualify her, tension loop, and read bl, you are gold.

yeah, i think most openers are just something to help an afc get through aa. however, sometimes dhv tactics are necessary to get through shit tests, bitch shields, asd and even lmr (if she remembers).

i remember before i heard about the game, id just walk up to chicks in the mall, put up an FTC, say they were cute, ask for their number and be out in 20 seconds.

but, a creative opener can be to your advantage sometimes. granted 70% will forget, but the other 30% are something special judging from my past experiences. not only will it help through the omnipresent chances of awkward silences ("remember how i came up to you...."), but it will also throw some variety into your game and make it less boring to you. if i sat through a week with only "hey how you doing," i dont think id last too long.

but, no matter what, if you got the looks, 90 percent could give a shit about your game. its all fancy words while theyre thinking about your dick.

I guess handling a shit test is, in itself, DHVing, but generally, I simply ignore shit tests and plow through. If they keep pushing the shit test, I'll humourously handle it. Then it's done. Bitch sheild is easy to get through as long as you just keep handling it. It's very much the same as shit tests. I think they are actually one in the same. DHV stories have just always seemed way too try hard to me, and my game has taken off sinceI've ditched them aand gone with the assumed attraction part.

well it all boils down to how you handle your dhv. if you say "yeah, me and my two girlfriends were totally having a sweaty threesome the other day," then duh, its too try hard. but if you casually say how this girl was talking to you the other day, then it subconsiously plants it in her had.

but i still agree with you: i had a friend just the other day go completely afc, tell us to "watch this," head over to a hb and open with "nice skin, can i wear it?" number closed in five minutes.

Any person have a openner but a few have really good openners. FOr me the first time you say something in a set, make the diference!

I think good openers are good sometimes and other times are useless ... reason why is because sometimes it can help the tension and the mood ... if 100 guy came up to 1 gurl and where like hey hows your night going??? or whatever and tried to pull based off on that even with charisma she might be tried of that and pull back... but if you come to her with a wise opener she might be more inclined or tricked into being into you ...

Sorry to say but:

If you are a good looking male, you are a step ahead of the average looking one.

If you have already built attraction..you only need to build comfort( Hey hows your night doing) is a comfort builder.

BUT

If you cant build attraction, you have to build alot of comfort and Hey hows your night going might not work for you.

And no i'm not a model, average looking also.

Hate to tell you, but thats an opener

Truth. An opener simply OPENS an interaction between two people. Self-explanatory.

The thing is...Approach Anxiety is really normal because you only get ONE real chance to open the girl. The attraction stage doesn't start til the opening begins.

Sometimes the direct "Hi..." whatever works.

Other times you wish you just had something to get your foot in the door...and avoid the anxiety of it, or thinking of what to do...how to do it altogether.

It does exist...try both. Who says you can't have fun.

If you want

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Guys, We all know by now that it's not what you say, but more how you say it. Wouldn't we all agree. If I was at a bar and someone came up to my friends and I with poor body language, a weak voice and terrible appearance then he'd be blown straight out. In fact, just the other night that very thing happened. Guy was drunk, blabbering his words, no idea what he was saying. We back turned.

However, if you get someone come up to you who is engaging, confident and seems like a lot of fun then you're going to tune in.

It doesn't really matter what you say at the end of the day. But many guys like to have canned openers because they're unsure over what to say, usually these are guys that are not good at small talk. If you've got small talk mastered then opening sets is a piece of cake. Learn to be more sociable in all walks of life instead of just focusing on opening women up. It'll make it a lot easier in the long run, believe me.

In fact, the simplest openers are usually the best ones. Sometimes if you're going in with an opinion opener it sounds really odd/strange thing to ask. I myself have had many people ask why am I asking this. But who is going to ask why are you saying Hi to me. I love Mehow's entry that I saw him using in his video.

Just approach, say 'Hey you guys look like fun. So I just had to come over and say Hi'.

But, feel free to experiment and use whatever suits you best. But unless you're the master of the seduction leave the heavy compliment material at home. It's only gonna work if you've got serious game, fantastic looks or she's got low self-esteem or she's hammered.

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Im brazilian, last day I kissed a girl without a word. A nice one. This is habitual here.

In that situation, my opener was my body language. Every case you need to open, you can just use a canned opener or not. A natural or not.

I agree with you, I dont like canned openers.

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Great bro !! As much as I agree that one should move away from canned openers I would not completely discard them. I have an entier post here where I opened a whole evening with simple openers and got multiple numbers and 3kiss closes.

But even then I think canned openers are good for days when you are 'just not feeling it'. Inner game is key but canned openers atleast open! Like last night, I started my evening with canned openers and spent the entire night with just one opener... I #closed 2 and made out with one girl. (I wasnt in the mood for full close since I was too tired, anyways)

Again, I appreciate and understand that non canned materials are good but at the same time would not discard canned openers. They are good to fall back on.

This thread is pointless. An opener is an opener, no matter how you see it.
Sure, it usually works saying hi, and sometimes you don't have to say a word. But by just saying hi you don't appear interesting. Then you are just another guy who needs to grab their attention after the opener.

You can be the most attractive guy in the world, but if you jump into a conversation and just sit there it will fade out nonetheless. Openers are constructed for one thing, to grab their attention.

- Exerio

I agree with exerio, no matter what everything is an opener , however u dnt need a can opener for success , if you want to become a natural at some point its good to try out new opener a simple HI as mentioned before works;
I think what strimpboi is trying to say is you dnt need a canned opener to succeed , but with a canned opener u can already DHV in itself if a story is accurately conveying you're qualities
IN the END its all Irrelevant as said before an opener is an opener hey how is your night going is a simple natural opener
Now i dnt have the answers to everything but i have the answers to a few things

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