I've been going out a lot lately... and always to clubs... we have had decent success so far... not as good as I'd hoped.... we've approached a bunch usually get conversations going with those we approach. Gotten numbers and fclose.

However i still find it VERY difficult to appraoch at clubs. I don't have much AA.... when friends tag along and bring good looking girls that ive never met.. i can guarantee a close with any of them before we even get to the club. Because..

1. they know im a friend of a friend.
2. they can hear me when I start on them

I dont use much canned material.. some of the psych test/games... but only cuz i actually think those are fun....

The stuff I use works very well on most girls that I can talk to....

the problem I am finding is that most the times I don't bother to approach as many as I'd like... even when I get a chick that winks and rubs my leg.... im just like "ah fuk it"

i can talk.. im a wizard with words when it comes to girls.. the problem is I cant hear shit they are saying.. and i know they cant hear me most of the time.. so i just bail or say fuk it... it sucks cuz these girls like what they see but when u cant hear someone it gets awkward quick... its startin to piss me off.....

i hate leaning in. i hate shouting in ears.. so much tone is lost when you can't hear people properly.. tone is important.... any tips on this??im thinking clubbing isnt gonna be my favourite pick up spot anymore.. i noticed back when i was 19 the clubs werent as loud...and "gaming" is something i used to do so easily naturally....(23 now) after a buncha gf's. several long terms.. im still good... very good.... but the club is killing me... i want to ace it cuz there are so many targets there compared to the mall or something.... ugh... i might just grab a chicks wrist and drag her to the entrance where its fukn quiet.. god damn...

heres an example
*two smokin hunnies wearing BIKINIS at the club*
ME: so hey, which way to the beach?
SmokinHunny: huge smile...WHAT??!?!
ME: CALMLY CHUCKLE...i said- which way to the beach?
SmokinHunny: sorry I cant hear you?!
ME: What?!
SmokinHunny2 getting ancy now....
ME: I see you're holding a blackberry all of a sudden... *looking her up and down* where did you pull that out of?
SmokinHunny: sorry.... *nodding like she cant hear*

this is where i just fukn bounce...
Didnt help we were right behind the dj's but everywhere was equally as loud.. except near the washrooms... (not my favourite area for pick up)

weak....

So don't go to clubs, there is still day game and online game.

I personally enjoy night clubs but some venues are tougher than others. You have to learn how to project your voice without yelling.

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i agree with you , half the time when i approach a girl in a club, she doesnt hear me... which this annoys the hell out of me and the other thing is even if i do open a few sets the next day i can barely speak haha im gona try day-game....

But loud nightclubs are perfect venues to practice your frame and body language because they take on much more importance.

When you go out to loud clubs...make that your intended outcome.

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Clubs is the only place I get my game on. I use dancing as my main form of courtship just because I'm good at it and women associate a man who dance with a man who can fuck. Also the whole talking in the ear thing - put some cologne on your earlobes, but a nice one such as Armani Code (my fav) and that way when she speaks into your ear she will get a nice wiff. And a nice smell always gets a girl going.
If I dance with a girl for longer than 5-10 minutes then I know she is interested in more than just a dance. Recently alot of them have been asking for MY number afterwards, or saying "you should get my number". Infact just about 75% of the time that happens now I don't ever really ask anymore.

Ok, I dont know where your from, but normally there are things called bars or even pubs where you can approach! They rarely have loud music and if it is you can talk over it (so i guess its not loud music after all)! But you guys must know the kind of places im talking about! The mystery method for example originally wasnt taught for real loud places, as mystery himself says never go on the dance floor, hence avoid clubs! Bars are smooth, in my opinion and theres never enough seating = easier sets to approach!

Spark.

I just go to clubs with dance floors. Going up and dancing on a girl takes way less approach anxiety then asking an opener. Instead you just start dancing on her and if she likes it you try to talk to her like 5 minutes later and if she doesn't then oh well dance on a different girl.

I think this is very powerful indeed. Two of my friends, one very good looking, the other less than average when it comes to the looks but a guy with some good moves at dancing (did some dancing as hobby when he was younger). When we are at night club, the guy simply outperforms every one of us with ease. Each time he takes it to a dance, he will find himself dancing with 3-4 girls, just for fun. You can see these girls all over him while dancing. He usually has no trouble closing with the hottest one of these 3-4 women. After a few minutes of dancing and all that powerful body language, an opener is not necessary. The girls are simply into him, no matter what he says and how he says it. He has already done the work, not even pronouncing a single word. Now, you have somethings of these HB standing a bit rigid with their friends and just looking around, not really dancing. The guy steps to them, does a few simple moves in front of them and you can see these girls simply accepting his presence. They usually start dancing too or he simply drags two or three of them on the dance floor. Pretty amazing stuff!

Although the success with women of the other friend, good looking one, is OK, he can't compete with the other guy at clubs.

I think knowing a few good moves would make the game much interesting for every guy.

...I dunno how you can be so damn good at club game and not know how to talk in a loud environment.

you: lolololol what's lolgoinglol on?! lol?
HB: what?!
you: lololwhuh? lklol noise lol?
HB: I can't hear you.
Move in, cover her ear, I usually put my thumb on that little bit of flesh close to the cheek and push it over the "external auditory canal" (see exhibit A: http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/200 ... m/1126.jpg) covering the external auditory canal deadens background noise. then talk - you probably can't whisper, but you don't need to yell, they'll hear every word.
you: sex please.
HB: OK.

It's still awkward and annoying but it gets you a slice of kino, and often the girl will reciprocate - touching each other even if it is your side mounted wax cave, is never a bad thing.

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i havent checked this topic in awhile..... i been hitting a lot of clubs...

the bar thing maks sense, unfortunately around here there arent many for this type of thing. Most are old people or couples. The mall is decent.

Anyways... i find large clubs are easy now... outskirts of dance floor can still hear most of the time. and the odd time you can throw in a "what was that?" on purpose and make her lean in real close...... i use original openers.. usually based on the situation or article they or im wearing etc....

seems to work ok.. small clubs.. it is opounding bass and shit. it is still tough there..... im not a dancer. i CAN... but i dont like it.. therefore im not happy when doing it.... :S buti open up girls that ARE dancing... and they are happy to stop and chat if im intersting enuff... which i normally am.