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PostPosted: Wed Jul 26, 2006 10:20 pm 
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I am not afriad to approcah a women it's just half of the time I am so busy struggling to think of something attention grabing to say. Can any one helpl me?

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"Hey guys, can get a quick female opnion on something? It will only take a sec, I've got to get back to my friends...[insert opnion opener]"

Examples of opnion openers (these are the more common ones, I recomend finding more)
1. Who do you think lies more, men or women? Who are better liars?

2. One of my friends was asked to be on the Mary Pauvich show, do you think he should go?

3. Do you believe magic spells work?

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Have something interesting to say.

I was attacked by a gang of clowns earlier today. To me, this is a perfectly acceptable conversation starter. Everyone can relate to clowns, and everyone can relate to the fear of being surrounded by strange people, so it gives her something to grab onto.

Nearly any mundane fact about your life can be made interesting and fun. It's all in how you say it. Juggler has perfected this into an art, and is selling an e-book on it. He'll often challenge other PUAs to pull their best material, be it palm reading, tarot, the Cube or whathaveyou, while he talks about going grocery shopping, and they'll see who does better.

Make sure everything you say has some sort of emotional resonance, something she can relate to, and you'll be having a good conversation in no time.


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What was jugglers e-book called?


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 01, 2006 1:49 am 
I'm not sure, but you can find it on his site www.charismasciences.com . I haven't actually read the e-book; I've read his compiled posts though. Printed them off, highlighted them, hole-punched them and put them into a binder.

The best thing about him is that he's a good writer. He's funny, he's easy to read, and when he says something, you know he believes it. I don't think his method stands well on its own; it's a bit too obscure and relies on a conversational model I'm not entirely comfortable with. I'd rather open with a simple canned opener (something from MM) and work into his statements-over-questions model than open with "How are you?"

"How are you?" leaves you open to "Fine," and I'm just not confident enough to say "Don't you think it's rude to not ask how I am after I've asked you?" But I guess it's all in your delivery. I'm a pretty deadpan guy. I can't get away with confrontational without getting into a confrontation. ^_^

As I said in my introduction, I have a style that amalgamates Mystery's work with Jugglers. I'll open my target rather than her friends, but my opener is canned. I'll make statements more often than I'll ask questions, but when I'm re-threading it's usually with an opinion-opener. I never fluff if I can help it (sometimes it's unavoidable). I use Juggler's reverse-kino routines ("I'm high maintenance. My girlfriends all need to give me back rubs and buy me drinks..."). I use Mystery's number- and kiss-close. As yet I've not progressed past the kiss-close stage in my game; I'm trying to get more comfortable asking a girl if she wants to kiss me before I move on to "Do you want to come to my place and watch the cats chase eachother across the appartment?"


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jugglers books are called:

How to be a Pick Up Artist

and

The Juggler Method Seduction Manual

the second one i think is the best its just a
collection of all his posts its relly good
but if yur lookin fer good ways to open to a gurl

i suggest ready The Art Of Approching by
Thundercat it is amazing a relly good read

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Forget all the openers and trying to be spontaneous and interesting all the time... Don't try to be anything... just be!

Now... that you are yourself and really relaxed... use relaxed body language to relax yourself...

go to her.. approach from front...
and tell her "I like you. I want to get to know you"... but make sure you really feel it... that your smile, your eyes really show it... you can practise in the mirror if needed... but it's easier just to really like the girl and be interested to know what she's like as a person.. that makes up genuine rapport and life a lot easier...

try it and tell me how it went.. :)

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Hey Guys,
I think I've got the approach and oppener sorted thanks to you guys but the could you give me some advice on the whole making yourself have a higher value by doing a magic trick, which I'm very capable of, or ESP tests.
I've read about The Cube also, could someone explain to me what it is exactly, I've got a vague idea as to what it is...?
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Ok. So value.

A pretty girl inherently believes she is worth more than you are. This is not because she's a bitch or because she's conceited; she is simply much more concerned about her own well-being than about yours. As a survival trait, we only mate with those we percieve to have value equal to, or greater than, our own. After all, anyone can sleep with an ugly geek chick, but that's not the point of this game, is it?

Creating value requires that you show her a desirable quality that the other men who've hit on her don't have. If you can do magic tricks, and no one else in the club can, you have greater value than AFC#255. You can only demonstrate this value by showing her said trick. ESP tests are much the same. If you can show her an ability no one else in the club has, you become more desirable due to your percieved value.

Value is not kept entirely to tricks, though. There are a good many things women value that have nothing to do with exotic abilities. Being fun, funny, empathetic, showing your dominance over the group (and her), and a good many other things can be used to demonstrate value, and not one of them requires knowing a single magic trick.

I don't know anything you can't find in Magic Tricks for Dummies. In fact, I only know one magic trick, and it sucks. A lot. ^_^

The CUBE is the shotgun you keep in your Big Bag of Routines. It is a simple cold-reading technique used to qualify and build rapport. If you can show that you know things about her already, she feels more comfortable allowing you to see deeper emotions and more powerful feelings. This builds deeper rapport. Here's how it works.

You: Let's play a game.
Her: Um... Ok...
You: It's an imagination game, so you don't need anything to play. Close your eyes. Alright. You're walking down the street, it's a lovely day, and off on the side of the road you see a cube. How big is your cube?
Her: Um... This big (holds up her hands).
You: Ok. What color is it?
Her: (Color).
You: Now can you see through the cube, or is it completely opaque? (Opaque being one of my favorite words)
Her: You can see through it a bit.
You: Kind of like stained glass?
Her: Yes! Exactly.
You: Ok. There's a ladder somewhere near or on your cube. Where's the ladder located?
Her: On the side.
You: Right against the side or leaning against it?
Her: Um... Leaning.
You: Ok. And there's a horse. Where is the horse in relation to the cube?
Her: Um... He he... Right on top!

So here's the translation.

The size of the cube is a rough estimation of how big her ego is.

The color is an indicator of personality.

Whether you can see through the cube determines how easy she is to "read." If it's completely see-through, she's an open book. If it's opaque, she only tells you as much as she wants you to know.

The ladder represents how easilly one can become her friend. If it's right against the side of the cube, you can say something like "It takes a lot of work to become your friend, but once someone is, they're your friend for life." If it leans, you can say "You make friends pretty easilly, but it's still a climb." For laying in the grass or sitting on top of the cube, or any other weird answer, make it up, and make it funny.

The horse can be one of two things. If it's a good time for it (and she had an answer you like) it can be her favorite sexual position. If it's a bad time, you can say "And the horse is just there because I like horses, and I think they're funny."

If I run the cube, I usually run Strawberry Fields right afterward. You can make the Cube sexual by substituting "Ego" for "Libido" and "Open book" for "Complete slut," but I find S.Fields way easier to work for this.

As I said, the CUBE demonstrates value because you "know" things about her before she's said anything. It's all truisms; it could apply to nearly anyone. Think about things like Horoscopes and how often they seem to be "right." You can interpret the answers any way you please, but it feels like you know everything about her right off the bat. DEEP rapport can follow from this, and you can usually escalate your kino or phase shift after a good execution of these techniques.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 29, 2006 11:36 pm 
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Great post, Monkey.
Here's a perfect link for a beginner to learn the CUBE technique. Once you become proficient, there are other smaller websites that get into much more detail about it. Learn this one first, it's a good starting point.
http://www.cejuice.com/2006/06/cube-gam ... nique.html
However, be cautious on who and where you are using this. I have a lot of experience and let me give you some advice.
1. Don't do the cube on a girl who has had a lot to drink. Her attention span will not be long enough to perform this on, and she won't be entertained at all.
2. Don't use the cube as an opener. You need to gain rapport with her before you use this.
3. Make sure she is isolated. This is a one on one cold read. None of your friends or her friends can be within earshot.
4. Don't be negative at all!! When you get to know a lot about the cube, there are things your target can say which may be perceived as negative traits. Put a positive spin on it. I can never stress this enough. Don't ever say anything negative when doing cold readings.
NOTE: If you are simply dispalying higher value in a general sense, then of course a good friendly neg is a great. :)

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3. Make sure she is isolated. This is a one on one cold read. None of your friends or her friends can be within earshot.
This happend to me a year ago. I used one time the cube , and it worked so well that the girl start calling her friends so that i will make them the test it was kind of funny because i met knew girls but i lost the girl. It was funny

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I've run the cube on multiple girls at once (as many as four), and though it lacked intimacy, it did have the desired effect of making me the social center of the room. One of the few times I've noticed EVERYONE looking at me was when I had a table of four Danish girls laughing at one another for more than ten minutes. Then I ran S. Fields. Failed the close, but opened a set nearby and kiss-closed it based almost entirely on social proof.

I agree that you shouldn't run it on the whole set OFTEN, but when you're in the mood to entertain, go nuts with it.


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If I run the cube, I usually run Strawberry Fields right afterward.
I've never heard of Strawberry Fields - can you break it down for me??


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Strawberry fields is one I really need to learn- I've heard a ton about it, like isn't supposed to reveal her sexual desires?

As far as The Cube is concerned- it's unreal how it makes girls melt in front of you. Be sure to include some jokes during it or else they might get creeped out. Like if a girl describes the flowers as white- tell her it means she only wants white friends- she's a racist and you can't even talk to her anymore. Humor is a massive DHV.

I've heard more to the cube though....

You: There's flowers around the cube- are there a lot or just a couple?
Her: A lot
You: Describe them- are they one type of flower, lots of different colors?
You: One type/Lots of colors.

TRANSLATION: The flowers represent her friends. Always keep it positive- if she says there's a few don't tell her she has only 2 friends. Tell her it means there's only a couple of people she feels really close to (it's true for most girls) One type, lots of colors- she sees a similarity between all of her friends, but the different colors of each one means that they're all really unique- but there's definitely a commonality they all share; that's really important to you.

You: There's a horse in the room- use three words to describe it.
Her: Big, Strong, Calm
You: What is it doing?
Her: blahblahblah

TRANSLATION: The horse is what she idealizes in a lover. What the horse is doing isn't that important unless you can make a joke out of it or something.

You: Ok, a storm comes through- is it violent or peaceful?
Her: Violent
You: Hmm, interesting...is it fucking shit up or is it just chilling? You know, like is it just raining on things?
Her: Just chilling.
You: OK, cool...you want to know what all this means?

TRANSLATION: The strom represents her problems. Violent- when a problem enters, it really stresses you out, but since you said it's just chilling- it's not ruining the other aspects of your life. So even though problems at first seem big to you- your somewhat confident that you can handle problems as they come into your life because you know that they're not the end of the world.


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the cube works a treat...

but I've actually came across a situation where they've said "OH I've heard this one before"...

If that ever happens RUN!!! lol no kidding,

just play with it... and keep it going... and when you finish it instead of interpreting it.. just say oh ok cool. And if she asks well??? Just say 'what? I just wanted to know if you had a giant cube what it'd look like! Hey that's a really nice top... to bad the colour is fuckin ugly' Easy way of changing the situation incase someones already ran it before.

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