Due to most of my guy friends being in relationships, none of them ever want to go out. So, I'm more likley to end up going out with one of my female friends, who range from I'd say 4-7.

Now usually I feel like they're more of a hindrance than help, but is there any way I can use them to my advantage?

Hmm, I'm not to sure actually.

I understand entirely what you mean though. I have a wingwoman, and the way she works for me is kind of like an undercover agent.

She brings her hot friends out with her, then throughout the night i'll tell her which of her friends I really like and she tells me if they are single.

Then she tries to soften them up .

As a newbie this help alot. I do like being myself though, because it is a better gauge of where I am in the game.

So basically, i'd say just talk to your friends and tell them which girls you want to make a move on. They will (if they are awesome) tell you if they are taken and a little bit about what they are like so you're not wasting your time!

-Anytime

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That's good advice, and I see how that would work, but in this case it's not really applicable to me. All my female friends know each other, so there's never any new bodies in the group for me be interested in. They all know each other, and I know all of them.

I think need to find a target and start talking to her, then have my friend come over and say hi, and introduce her to the target as a friend. Now is that DHV, like "well, he's out with girls, so he must not be a jerk"?

If that fails, I might have to just go out alone or at least distance myself from them.

of course this is a DHV. If your out with like three girls with youy your totaly building whats called social proof. This will def make you more attractive just make sure your entertaining the girls. Think about it whats looks better to a girl. A guy standing there with 4 of his friends that or guys or if the same guy is there already entertaing and making 4 girls laugh? you can drag other girls into your set instead of jumping into theres a lot more easily if you want.

Yea, if you're running your game directly on her hot friends, you're going to run out of options relatively fast. Rather, I'd say don't target her friends, but use as wings and to build DHV through social proof. If you build a good relationship with her group of friends, you can just have fun with them, and this will naturaly grab the attention of other HBs in the venue.

If you've really got a playful relationship with her group of friends, you could even set it up as a game for them, like, "hey, tonight is get Steve laid night!" Like 1 point for introductions, 3 points if you end up with the girls number, 5 points for kiss-close. The girl who gets yo the most other girls in the club is the winner, and receives a fabulous prize, like a meal at IPOH at the end of the night. Just have fun with it.

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Of course you can dude... I'm just having a problem with this right now... hahaha (Maybe if you check out the 2 day's and K-close forum.. )

But pivot is maybe one of the greatest thing has ever been invented. Think about it:

- They are a hugest non-threat approach. ( what kind of girl would feel unconfortable talking to a girl?? )
- If they tell something to DHV you, that will be more acceptable by the girls in the set.
- And you don't have the risk ( at least it never occured to me hahaha ) that your target keeps the focus on her, instead of focusing on YOU.
- They can deal with AMOG so easily, and remove them from the set just in case. ( That's why I always advice to have a HB8,9,10+ as your pivot ).

It can decrease your game, because you get to much dependent on it, but certainly it makes your game really faster.

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what you need to do is teach your wingwoman some gaming techniques so she knows what to do to help you. teach her how to bring girls in, teach her to tell good stories about you and compliments about you so you don't have to do it and look like you think you're bad ass. Tell her your game plan so she can interject at the right times too, it's always good to have a game plan together

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Yeah i think its called a pivot like the dudes before its dhv and you can teach her stories to tell about you and deal with men in the group so she can have some fun too. You can also walk into a place with your 7 or 6 and then it raises interest with other females it works cause one my friends does it all the time. There was also one episode of the pickup artist when Matt had tara to use that you can learn from to watch it go to the vh1 site hope this helps

She's like your wingman.. she's just obviously the same sex as the girl so she doesn't have a bitchshield to get past. She can give some DHV stories about you a lot easier.

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Ok, thanks alot for all the info.

I'll give it a shot this weekend, I'm pretty sure we'll end up going out fri or sat.

I've never really talked about this with them, so I'll have to coach them a bit about being a wing, but we'll see what happens.

It's simple.

You don't have to tell them what a Pivot is. Just say what they have to do to help you, and things will go naturally.
If they are friends of yours, so they won't deny any help....

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