Hey guys,

I have a huge issue which I have been trying to solve without much success.

I am usually quite the extroverted person when going out partying, clubbing etc. I am not an expert but I usually don't just sit around in a corner and stare at people in silence.

My problem is daygame: During the day I simply can't approach a girl as long as there are other people looking, listening in on the conversation.

I live in Singapore and here people are always in a rush. Everything is moving fast and people often walk around in groups and if they are not, then they are just rushing to an appointment or a destination that they have in mind and so on.

This makes it increasingly difficult to just walk over to a girl (that is almost running to some appointment) and just talk to her. In malls this seems quite a bit easier because many people are window shopping but then again, they are in groups.

I have this fear of talking to a girl when other people are listening and "judging" the conversation, this makes me feel awkward and in return, fucks up the whole conversation.

How do I handle a situation, when there are 2 or 3 girls in a mall for example?

-I have tried just asking for a starbucks and then trying to steer that to a conversation by asking if they drink coffee and what their fave brand is etc. but what do I do after? How do I get the nr?

I appreciate your helps brothers

<ascend>

Hey man,

I had this problem once too, the only way to really get through it is not giving a crap what the people around you think. (chances are they think your a boss for approaching her though)

Groups are easy, because I'm a very social person and can play off everything the group people say.

my recommendation would be to try and be friendly with the whole group and exclude the one you want to talk to for a little bit. Ask the whole group a question and then turn to her as if you didn't see her there and be like say " hey, I didn't get your opinion on that, what do you think?" when you ask her that move just a little so that her back is to the group and then you have successfully broken her off from the group. Also it depends on the size of the group, chances are a 5 person group will break into a 3 people group and a 2 group, (you want to be the 2 group with the girl) and a group of 3 people is odd cause you'll have to try and stick with the group or my suggestion would be to grab any guy around you and just be like " hey I just need a wingman to go talk to that group, will you help me out" chances are they'll help. and then you have a 4 person group that'll turn into a 2 and 2 and you are alone with your prized girl again. Hope this helps, If you have any questions just reply.

Good luck,
Justin

Hey Justin,

thanks for your reply man. Really appreciate it. But how do you approach them? I mean, what do you say to just come off as a friendly guy and nothing more? Because if they sense you want her, then its game over already most of the time no?

Cheers

<ascend>

Hey ascend,
Just say something like "you guys must be the cool kids" ( and laugh) they will mirror your body language and laugh as well. Or while your a little away from the group get one of there attention ( eye contact while waving or raising your glass if at a bar) and then just say walk up to her and introduce yourself and she will introduce you to the rest.

Also for groups its best to say things in mid conversation like " okay let me guess, youre the mature one, youre the naughty one, youre the girly one." Something along that to your liking.

Good luck,
justin

Do this 100 times tomorrow - say "Hi"

To everyone you come across - old people, children, even people's pets

Do it

Good day Ascend!
Had family that lived in Singapore for 4 years and they all can't wait to leave everything and go back there. You're a lucky man.

Let's talk about something here.

The reason you are feeling uncomfortable is because you are not comfortable with your desires - you haven't accepted your natural manhood so to speak.

That's what bugs me about tactics based game... It's all designed to ensure that you never have to confront your demons and come to fully accept who you are and your place as a man on this earth.

Understand that? A man.

Not a child, not some funny clown, not someone she would love to have as a friend. She wants a man.
I don't think you want to know how to get the number after asking what a girl's favourite coffee is. I don't believe that for a second - You don't give a fuck about what her favourite caffeinated beverage is, anymore than you care about who would win in a fight between SPAM and Superman. It's all mental masturbation.

Look, really think about it. Why is that fear there? Who cares if people are watching. OH NO! God forbid they should see that you are a man who likes women. Wait... What? You are a man... You are designed to like women.

All it takes is for you to accept your masculinity, your desires and who you are, and then something magical starts to happen... You'll actually begin to feel sexy. I'm not talking about horniness here. I'm talking about some almost mystical power emanating from your core that will show in the way you carry yourself, in the way you look at women. When speaking to women, you'll hear a voice in your head whispering "We both know whats up girl... You're already mine". At that point, you can talk about coffee for hours if you want, the outcome is still the same - She better not find herself alone in a room with you. 'Game' becomes an afterthought

That's what people call 'naturals' or 'sex appeal' or whatever. It's that missing spark men in this community chase but don't realize they've had all along. And NONE of this can happen if you don't accept who you are and your desires.

Let the watchers watch and the gossipers gossip. Man the fk up
Be a lion.

With love and respect
Mack
Centered Man Project

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Hi Vance,

thanks brother. Very simple, but also VERY effective in just getting started and getting "warm"

Hi Mack,

thanks a lot for your reply. I am currently working on my inner game in order to be closer to get closer to the way you described a man should be. I think you are right, if you are a MAN and behave like one, many situations that you or she might think are creepy or awkward wont even have that feel attached to them anymore. But its not easy. I was in Hong Kong a week ago and had amazing success just approaching and talking to girls, I have no clue what changed in my behavior though I was like I usually am but more laidback and relaxed about the outcome I must admit.

I hope I can transition some of that outcome independency to my game here in Singapore. I just have to find this goddamn inner switch and finally go out there and just talk to all those beautiful SG girls ...

this is definitely a young man's issue. i used to have it myself. ever see those old men who say what they want to whoever? it's because they know nothing matters in the long run and no one really cares. day game is calmer. you can be yourself, intellectual or whatever. you can actually have a conversation beyond game. if perception is what you are worried about then trust that no one is going to judge you harshly for trying to pickup a woman unless they are jealous.
the approach is alot simpler than night game. just open with some kind of trivia or something that they never knew. if it's interesting they will probably want to know more about you.
real life example:
Subway (the sandwich shop) line. Long line with plenty of people. Woman in front of me.
"Look at the menu."-me as i'm casually pointing
"Yes"-her
"You notice how the food looks compared to how they actually make it"-me
I proceed to tell her something i learned about it and then we start finding out about each other. By the time we get to buying our sandwich and parting ways, the guys and the sandwich guy smiled and said, "Damn, I thought ya'll where together".
So basically i was gaming and oblivious to who-else was watching.