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PostPosted: Sun Jun 15, 2014 5:31 pm 
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Had some questions about Night club/ dance party game. I know Skills has some things on it which I will look up, but I wanted to get some other input as well. As for approaching, what's the best way in your experience to go about it? Usually these are girls that come with friends and dance with their friends, so how can I minimize cockblockage?

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 16, 2014 1:22 am 
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I'll be bold and have a go on this one.

I think you initially need to get yourself the right mindset about approaching this situation. To minimize cockblockage from her friends you have to prevent them to read that you are going in for your target by just being friendly with everyone. So yeah open up the group, If they are all dancing and having a good time together then why stop them in the middle of it? Join them. Dance with them, have fun, they'll eventually accept you bc you are fun to be with and that will lower their guard. Dancing is also a great way to use kino and build some rapport and comfort without using conversation to get there.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 16, 2014 4:01 pm 
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Open the whole group,

I'd usually prefer a group not dancing in a nightclub, at the bar instead etc., as its easier to talk to people who aren't flailing all over the place.
If not opening dancing HB's with a spontaneous dance off can work for me (invisible lasso's, obvious cringey stuff). Get them all involved, can be useful to neg on dance moves too.
concentrate on the friends if you know who's the target. You'll come across as fun and most bitch shields should be lowered.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 18, 2014 11:33 pm 
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Interesting question, and for many people the most challenging i'd say. Here's my take on it, i'd like some feedback if possible.

Example:
An approach could look something like: "You're not someone who's afraid of a little challenge now and then, are you?" Say it as a half-statement, half-question.

Comebacks:
There are many responses to this. Making the comeback is way more essential than the question. But here's how i deal with the most difficult/common ones:

Most difficult:
"the cold look/shoulder":
MAN MODE: Smile and calmly tell her: "oh please, if i wasn't gay you'd SO be mine" "don't flatter yourself, i'm taken" (both Styles'). If she takes the bait and responds, listen to what she has to say, follow up with a neg, something like: "i like how your brow wriggles when you look at me though!" If she laughs, you're in, and you can move towards mid-game.

PUSSY MODE: You can reply with "nevermind" "I guess i was wrong". And back away with the "wow, you're crazy" look. Get position, body language and approach right though, and that won't happen as often.

Common:
"ahh no thanks, i have a bf":
"Whoa, i never said i'm available", -> this line is golden on its own, give her time to respond to that.
Just to give you an example how good this line is:

Common/Challenging:
"im fine with a challenge, but not with you though!" BURNED! Unless of course, you immediately interject with: "slow down, i never said i'm available" -> this can often turn the situation around as well.

Common:
She laughs: IOI, give neg.
Also Expect responses like: "maybe." "what's it to you?" -> these are good responses, you can take them as IOI and transition to early-midgame.

UNCOMMON:
"fuck off!":
She'll look like an overreacting bitch, and you can calmly say: I guess i was wrong. Back away with your "bitch is crazy" look. Always. Unless youre into mentally unstable girls.

EARLY MID-GAME:
"Alright, well in that case, let's play 5 questions. Loser buys a drink"
Ehm, what's 5 questions? Explain.
If she pulls back: "i thought you said you liked a challenge now and then."


BACKGROUND

I've been a sales professional for a while now, and i have to open a lot everyday as i need to make a lot of cold calls. When i started out, i opened with garbage like:
"hi, my name is, are the one in charge of IT? is this a good time?
i would like to talk about our cost-saving business model, do you have a minute?"
*rejection*
*but my company can...*
*impatient rejection*
ok, well thanks anyway...



This is your average call-center call. You will hate your job after 2 weeks if you keep doing that. I've come a long way since then on my own. But i radically changed my approach after reading The Game though, as well as some stuff by DeAngelo. i now open like this:

"hi *company name*, my name is Conflict. I understand you are the one who keeps track of the IT-market developments within the organization" "yeah, so what?" "Alright, well in that case i'd like hear what you think of *company name*'s cost-saving-concept, got a minute?"
"what's *company name?* or more likely: i don't know *company name*"
"Well, in short we want want to help companies.. by... (pitch)"
*oh. not interested* (rejection)
"i thought you said you watch the developments in our market?"
Yeah, but... (dissuade objections and proceed)
*definately not interested*
"Ok, well then i hate to say it, but i'm afraid this is all there is for you (it sounds better in Dutch)! Have a nice day though!"



How does this help me?
The first style says, "i want something from you. please consider my offer".
This puts you in a weak position. On top of that, it affirms the other party has the power, and the entitlement to say No. Finally, with each question, you give the other person a moment to consider whether or not to cut the conversation short.
And why would she even want to talk to you? All you've affirmed the other's worth, to you. Demonstrate value (David D). I see a clear connection in how this relates to complimenting a woman, and then asking for her number, but i'm interested in what you guys think.
The second one puts you in a far stronger position from the get-go. You're not asking for their permission to speak, and to consider your offer. You're qualifying *the other* as capable, first. It also affirms that they should listen to you, as well as having something in common.
Best part: you assume the other party knows your company/game, *after* verbally establishing their interest in the field. Because of this, they will be much more likely to get curious about what your company does, or what 5-questions is.
Finally, by agreeing to give you the minute, they commit their time. Which you can use to transition to doing business, or in the PUA case; that sweet, sweet, mid-game.


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 19, 2014 3:52 am 
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Pretty much anything works. Don't go overboard with openers. Memorize 3-4 and use those. Keep it simple and not generic. Any chode with some balls can open with "Hi, where you from", (but even that is better than nothing). Use only what you can see yourself using. Go to a word processor right now on your comp and think of 2 or 3 you could see yourself using to address a group, and then come up with 2-3 to address a single target. There's also lists of openers on this site, and good ol'google, pick ones that you can see yourself using.


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