I have been on the forum reading for years, I was in the opening section and kept seeing terrible afc advice.

Some members saying to open with 'your cute' or 'your so beautiful'. This is not advised.

If you are approaching women within your bracket, then from experience, you could open with something like that. However as training PUA's, we are here because we want to go outside of our league. We are not happy with the caliber of women in our bracket.

I never really got the idea of not opening/commenting a women's looks until something happened to me. But I shall generalise and not be to specific. Complimenting a women (ie your beautiful) is the same as a women going up to a man and saying 'you're rich'.

You want a women to like you for you. So even though to an extent you are, you should never make it appear that you are picking her just based on that. You need to make it feel like you are picking her because of the individual she is.

P.S - I am not rich. But I have had a couple of girls in the past open me based on looks. Before I wouldn't care / didn't even notice. But now as I want something more meaningful, it just doesn't make you feel right.

So in summary the advice I would give (just like the mystery method) is don't compliment women on their looks.

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Awhile ago, I instadated this 19 year old girl who kept on opening me with "You're handsome." for three straight days. Some girls open me once with "You're handsome" and that's it. I also get opened with "Happy birthday." on many occasions. On the other hand, not one girl has opened me yet with, "You're rich."

I have tried so many openers out there and "Hi. You're cute." works just fine. I'm +40 btw. The current opener I use right now goes something like this, "I dreamt of you last night. You're up in the sky flying." The usual reactions from girls goes like this: "Lol. So I'm angel?"

I retort with the Western equivalent of "Nope. You're a Boeing 747." and I get lots of kino for it. Of course, the cultural equivalent is so far off from a jetplane, rather it's a mythical creature who is the exact opposite of an angel-- something like a vampire or a werewolf.

The difference in the results between "Hi, you're cute." and "I dreamt of you last night" is so huge that I seldom use "Hi, you're cute." anymore although I also advise newbies to practice it until they're ready for more complex openers.

"Hi, you're cute" works just fine. The beauty of this opener is in its simplicity although you can get better results with other openers.

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It's ok to like a woman's appearance, especially if they've put a lot of effort into it (a girl was an insane body doesn't get it from doing nothing, that's hours of gym time right there!) and ultimately, any girl who's honest will say that whilst what their into long term is the persons personality, there generally has to be some physical attraction aswell. Opening someone because you thought they were attractive is fine, you can then move on to getting to know them, which in turn shows that you aren't just shallow.

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Ok, I think I should of been specific. I'm talking about opening. A women can have any dick, never forget that. I'm not saying once you start having a conversation you can't mention aspects of her physical beauty, I am just saying don't open with a 'your hot', 'your stunning'.

Firstly sets the wrong frame, that she is the prize.

Secondly from what I have experienced it makes you feel a bit cheap being opened on looks. And you also always feel that you have the power.

Well I'm sure you have field tested this. I have done all sorts. In my experience of opening hundreds upon hundreds of sets is that an indirect opener works best for a group.

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The mystery method says we must be different from the rest. This is common sense and is true of most aspects of life. Standing out from the crowd is an important tool. I highly recommended no aspiring pua uses the 'hi, you are cute'. This isn't strong enough to hold the interest of girls out of your league, looks wise.

In terms of girls opening you, no girl outside of your bracket will open you. Only 'reachers' will open you. As in if your a male 6 a HB5 will open.

When you get up to HB8+ they will rarely open. They have so many offers themselves. I don't Facebook game but I have never heard of any of my hot female friends randomly hitting a guy up. That sounds like something out of the twilight zone. Even on dating sites, hot girls rarely open, why? Because they have a hundred plus messages from guys.

As I stated to approach and open with a beauty opener for someone in you bracket that is fine. But to go above that it won't work in my opinion.

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Ever heard of ASD? No girl is going to tell any guy (even their friends) that they've hit up on a guy. I get hit up once and so often on my social media account. The spammers are asking for phone credits while the legit ones open you up with "Hi."
Try an experiment. If you feel you're not good looking enough, create a dummy account and post the picture of a not-so-famous but handsome and well-built male model. You might be surprised with the results.

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Actual opener depends of the type of the woman, u just dont neg some shy girl, u try to be nice, and polite, so u dont scare her, or neg her with some nice easy negs. When i see a 1-6 i try to open like oh my god, my heart droped in my back pocket, can u help me pull it out, (suposed u have drink and phone in your hands ), turn around and show her your back and ass

But when i see a 7-10 i just go there pick up her drink and drink it all: oh damn are this nails/hair real?!? No metter Anyway i will buy u a drink cause looks like nobody wont to buy u some. Then i just go away and wait for miracle i mean lOls ;D

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Clemen - You are joking? You have actually tried that in the field?

I'm not sure I would be able to do that. There are social boundaries. For me this is a step to far.

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Hellhound - I have neither the desire or patience.

Partly as I am close to 100% sure I am correct.

I am sure if I posted a male model many 'reachers' as I have dubbed it would approach him.

Would a HB10? Probably not, as she wouldn't need to. As I keep saying she has many offers, day in day out. She has the power to walk into any club/bar and have any man (bar celebrities).

From what I have seen, in real life and on the TV show catfish. I believe my theory is correct.

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I do daygame. My opener is:

If she's walking, I get in front of her and say:
"I promise I'm not a police man/drug dealer/insurance sales person... I literally just saw you *insert what I noticed about her* and I thought you look really nice, I just had to come say hi"

If she's stationary (standing or sitting):
"Hello, I'm André"

I open EVERY girl like this. So far out of 30 approaches in the past two weeks, I've been blown with the opener... twice. I don't care if she is a "HB10" or a "6", they all get opened the same.

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Sounds like a very low percentage. 30 openers is alot of approaches imo. I guess if you can do them very quickly though, it's not bad. I think my average approach is like 3-5. per event/evening/place. with about 30%-50% close rate (but i could be wrong).

Anyway, my point is that this is basically depending on mass approaching which some of us don't have the patience, time, or mental fortitude for. When i mass approached, I got burned out too easily. To me it's not really good game but a numbers game. Like gambling isn't a good way to make money but if you do it enough you will win sometimes.

Well spoken! The only time I got results by complementing a girl was a few years back when one of the ugliest chicks I ever saw (a 1 or a 2 with a ton of excess body fat) messaged me on SPAM, and since I was very bored that day I messaged her the lie "wow you are really hot!!!". We met up the next day and she gave me head, without me even trying to hit on her, out of pure gratitude towards the complement that no man ever gave her (for obvious reasons...). I admit, I still haven't gotten over my AA but I know I will never open a HB with a complement, it never works... well maybe if the girl decided she wants your dick before you even looked at her, in that case opening with "wow your stunning" might not change her mind.

I have a lot of experience though both with being opened by HB6s and HB7s, and with being complemented. When I get opened its never with a complement, while girls who complement me on looks either make it obvious a second later they are not hitting on me, or already are friends with me or are loyal girlfriends of my bros.

I got creeped out by the up in the sky opener
And then your a Boeing 757- this guy must
Be hitting. On girls in a different area from
Los Angeles or Orange County because I was confused
And 100 percent believe it wouldn't work.
At least not here- ps saw mystery last night
At the standard I think-

Lmao. In other words, you've never been opened by an HB8+, as has been said.

Let me help you!
There, yes he is in a different geographical & cultural setting than you.

Btw Hellhound wtf is the mythical creature anyway? Could it be compared to a vampire?