Does it annoy anyone when you hear girls who you fancy talking about boy problems in your presence. Does it make you think or remind you of the fact that they don't even notice you in that way. I once felt saying "hello, did it ever occur to you that maybe I might fancy you too". What's a player supposed to do in this situation.

I heard a girl recently that I have my eye on talking to another girl in this sort of way. This girl definitely knows I have a thing for her, even though I never showed her. I was hovering about the area for another reason minding my own business and I heard her talking/answering to the other girl in a reluctant sort of way. The other girl was unaware of the situation between us. The girl in question then said "I'll tell you later" which I didn't mind. It means she was aware of my presence. They could have just continued on talking, or worse.. started talking to me about this guy!!!!

A number of years ago I was beating about the bush with some girl I was into, eventually summoned the courage to ask her out and I got shot down haha. But the very next day she started talking to me about how there was this guy she liked and he was really hot and cold to her and she started saying how he's being a jerk and blah blah blah noise noise noise. I simply turned around to her and said something like "I asked you out yesterday and you said no, do you really think I wanna hear about problems you're having with some other guy? We can be friends, but I'm not gonna sit here and listen to you bitch about some other guy when if you'd gone out with me, you wouldn't be having those issues."

As you can imagine that didn't really go down well and we've barely talked since; BUT if you don't wanna listen to that shit, tell them rather than complain about it when no-one's around. Also, although I got shot down asking this chick out, that was still a shitload better than waiting around hoping something will happen You contradict yourself, if she knows you're into her, you HAVE showed her your interest, whether you think you have or not. Women believe it or not, are not blind, deaf and stupid. The fact she knows you're into her and also knows you aren't trying to show it, just tells her that you don't have the balls to put your ego on the line and try!

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Musterion's Journal

You are friendzoned

could this ever be a shittest to see how a guy reacts to her talking about other guys?

What is it with you PUA idiots and this so called 'friend zone'. Everything's black and white with you lot

Why are you here then, asking us PUA idiots for advice?

We are not black or white, but we are clear. We are clear to you, because you don't see it (because you are 'into' it and not neutral anymore). And the girl will not tell you this, otherwise she would lose a bff.

You should re-read your post: "This girl definitely knows I have a thing for her, even though I never showed her". This is contradiction. You THINK she knows, but why don't you take action then!! If you don't do anything, you will never get the girl.

Girls only talk about boyproblems to you, when they consider you as one of them. Like between girls. As a matter of fact, then she never considers you as a potential bf. Because you never show your interest and you don't take action. Shittest?? You never make a move or show interest. You are not even in the game, why would she shittest you?

Instead of being tough to people here giving you advice (btw: if you don't like, that's ok. Do what you think is best for you), you should take action with the girl and escalate. Don't blame others that the truth is not what you have in mind.

She's either IS attracted to a guy, or she ISN'T. It's not going to change just because you hang around them for a few weeks/months before making a move. It's the same as it is for guys.

For example, if I meet a hot girl, and if after a few months she hasn't asked me out, I'm not (all of a sudden) not going to be attracted to her any more. Sexy is sexy. I'm not going to say "Oh, I'm sorry, you're friend zoned now, I don't associate you with sex any more honey"

If you don't escalate, you won't be considered Alpha. Girl need time to make decisions if they wanne sleep with you or not. You think it's all about looks don't you?

Here's the problem right here, you're thinking like a guy and thinking that the same applies for girls. IT DOESN'T.

There is a plethora of research out there that explains the differences in thinking between the genders, generally being that men think in a more logical/systematic way and women think in a more emotional way; you can read this research just by doing a quick google scholar search.

Your way of thinking is "If I think a girl isn't hot, she never will be to me, even if she says and does all the right things." That is the way most men think, myself included, there's nothing wrong with thinking that way.

However, this is not typical of how women think, you can be a little bitch pushover for the first year you know her and she'll not see you as attractive; but one day all of a sudden, you're different, you're walking tall with good posture, you're locking eye contact with everyone you meet and breaking it for nothing, your speech has more volume and assertiveness to it, you aren't stumbling over your words trying to say as many things as possible in the hope that something sticks, everything you say and do is never any more or less than is necessary, you laugh at what you find funny, not what she finds funny, you know who/what you want and will go for it no matter what.... I could go on. The point is, she does not see the same person who she's known for a year, infact that guy is all but forgotten very VERY quickly.

This happened to me back in high school, for the first 3 years I was a little bitch, got bullied and shit. Then over the summer after the third year, I decided no more, came back and was cocky, confident, didn't take shit from anyone (don't confuse this with fighting, I never had a fight in HS) and you know what was funny? NOBODY recognised me as the little bitch they'd seen just 3 months earlier, infact some of the 'bullies' actually spoke to me about something they'd done to another kid (who looked kinda like me) a year ago, when it was actually me they'd done it to, they didn't even know it was me anymore. The girls no longer avoided me, I was still a bit useless with them, but I at least began making some female friends and at prom even had one girl continually dragging me off from my friends to dance.

Do you see what I'm saying? There is no reason why with a little bit of fucking EFFORT you can't change peoples perspective of you; whether that be some girl, friends, co-workers, acquaintances or even family!
So, either go and show this girl why she should give you the time of day and respect that you want from her, or continue bitching about it to a bunch of guys you've never even met that are only trying to help your ungrateful ass!!

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Musterion's Journal

Why are you so black and white??

This is a basic mistake you make, like Musterion already indicated. You assume the girl thinks like you and follows the same logic. Luckily the PUAs here help you out. Men think like this: I like her or I don't like her. I am into her or am not into her. Girls think like this: I like him, but I don't know. Sometimes I like him, sometimes I don't. I don't know.

The essence is that you didn't make a move or escalate. Although the girl is never sure whether or not she decides to like you, in case you do not make a move, she knows that you are not confident enough. And that is a sure no.

Take care