How to approach a boyfriend and a girlfriend standing or sitting together? I cant just introduce myself. Once that is over I can probably show some magic to keep the conversation going. But the main problem with me is that how I get to them? Whom should I speak to-the boy or the girl? According to neg theory- I should pretend to avoid talking to the girl. Is that what I am supposed to do? What are the first sentences that I should speak to them? Like if I say, "My watch is running slow. Can you please tell the time?" to the boy, he turns to me tells me the time and turns sideways to continue talking with his girl, what should I do? Next, even if I somehow get the boy to talk to me, how to get the girl to talk to me? How to make sue the girl likes to be with me alone? With what excuse can I take the girl alone to some side? Please help. I am unable to approach a "boyfriend-girlfriend" type situation.

U approach say ur opener and then the alpha boy friend decks you in your face for being so afc.
You dont try to pick up a girl infront of her boyfriend dude. What are you thinking? You might as well walk up to them open with "your man is a pussy, and your girl is a slut" take out your phone and number close.

I'm with Darkie.

Best case scenario, you make buddy buddy with both and text/Facebook the girl later.

Otherwise, I wouldn't risk it, unless you are willing to become a public spectacle when he yells at or punches you. I'd make you eat your fucking words if you hit on my girl in front of me.

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Why bother? Plenty of easier single sets out there

For this to work ... you must feel good inside first. You are offering value by providing fun!
1) To open ... you approach the girl by sticking out your hand and making eye contact with her. This is called the hand of god. When she grabs your hand, pull her in towards you in a dance position where she has her arms around your neck and yours around her waist.
- Since she grabbed your hand ... the boyfriend cannot say anything to stop you because the girl complied.
- Basically, to the boyfriends eyes ... you guys know each other from before.
2) After bantering and vibing ... Immediately ask the logistical question: "Who are you here with and how do you know them?"
- Know her relationship with the dude so you can strategize your plan.
3) Tell her to introduce you to him by saying, "Introduce me to your boyfriend as your gay friend [insert name]."
4) When she introduces you to the boy friend ... False time constraint to the boy friend and say, "2 seconds, 2 seconds ... I just want to catch up with her."
5) Pick her up and isolate from the boy friend either 5 feet away ... or to the bar ... or dance floor ...
6) Game girl ...

Sincerely,

Donston

Ha, okay buddy. Have fun with that. Maybe if the BF is a dipshit and she already hates his ass. Otherwise you're risking a lot.

I've seen people try to pull this type of shit and I had to talk the BF down from beating up the guys.

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This is a PUA forum. If it were just about easy and convenient situations then there wouldn't be much need. That would be the AFC forum. The point is that it can be done and Donston offers the best method for success that has been presented so far. If you do not want to try it, then that's fine. The OP does want to try it. So leave it be. Happy Sarging.

Why the fuck wouldn't you hit on girls who are single ?

because the OP is an AFC and probably so insecure that he only goes after girls that have boyfriends who resemble himself. that way he's a lil more secure about approaching and having success.

and as far as the best method to this. there is none, unless the bf is an AFC punk himself. there is no bf in the world that is going to accept some random dude coming up to his gf. even if the dude knows her, he better be pretty good acting very flamboyant to pull off that "he's a gay friend"

Gettin sick of all this sneaky bullshit. Be a fucking man. If you're in the game to trick and confuse girls into having sex with you, you're a loser. Learn REAL game.

Also, texty, it's not about being convenient, it's about being practical. Sure, could you pull a girl away from her BF? Yeah, maybe. Are you likely of catching as ass-kicking for it. Yes.

I want him to be aware of the risks.


If you still want to sneak around and pretend to be gay, be prepared to get your ass kicked or to look like an asshole.

There ARE girls out there that will go with it, if they HATE their BF, otherwise, you're risking a LOT for VERY LITTLE reward. There are tons of single girls out there.

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you guys really missed the point here. you do not like the situation so you are derailing the entire thread. the OP doesn't say only go after women who have boyfriends. He's asking how to handle the situation. If you ask me there is nothing wrong with having that knowledge as a pick up artist. It can lead to risks but it can also lead to rewards. And if you know how to approach women with men as a pickup artist, (not as a afc) then you are likely NOT to get your ass kicked because you know how to calibrate and read the situation.

2 Personal recent real life examples:
Number 1
I go to a salsa club. At the beginning, they always give lessons. I see a hot woman (8-9 on a scale) walk in with a man, who i presume is her boyfriend or even husband since they are older like myself. If I took your advice, I would have let it be and not even approached. Instead, I walked over and presented myself. I quickly befriended the man with a handshake and started talking with the woman. I asked them about the lessons and joked with them both a little. The man felt comfortable enough to walk away and like Donston suggested, that's when i found out the logistics. It turned out they weren't married and eventually i found out that they weren't even romantic. I got the man and the woman's number, then I ended up sleeping with the woman a week later.

Number 2
Same club last week. at the begging of the class literally 4 people there when i showed up. I talked to one of the women who was teaching the class with a guy. I couldn't figure out her situation with the guy so i started befriending him. i also, talked to the woman several times throughout the night. turned out without me even asking they were together and let me know it (not with violence) by kissing each other. Did I pursue? No. Did the guy get mad at me? No. I approached his woman subtley and yes I believe they both knew at some point what i was doing because they felt the need to kiss right in front of me. But I calibrated enough not to offend anyone and everything was fine.

That's two examples of women who were with men who for all i knew where together. 1 success and 1 fail. So please stop trashing people who are trying to improve their skills. If the OP is trying to hurt someone that's one thing. But he just asked how to address a situation which i think is vary valid in the world of pickup. A boyfriend or even potential boyfriend present or behind the scenes isn't enough to deter a real pickup artist because in the end it's the woman's choice if she wants to be with him or you. You NEVER really know the real situation of strangers until you engage.

I agree that if a women is with a man, she is still approachable, 100%. He said specifically, TWICE the term "boyfriend."

You can often tell if someone is together, as you said, you can calibrate the situation. We are only responding based on the written guidelines of the conversation (boyfriend), not the perceived guidelines (with a male).

If we're talking about a girl being with some guy, hell yeah you can intercept! If we're talking about two lovers holding each other and kissing, proceed with caution. If we are talking about someone we KNOW is the boyfriend, that can end up getting someone hurt, which is why we are advising to tread lightly in these situations.

Advice isn't just about looking cool and macho, but about being pragmatic. I wouldn't feel good telling someone to walk into a lion's den because chicks might think he looks dangerous and sexy.

I think we're both on the same page here, I think we're arguing terms and semantics.

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1.) Say "Hi you're sexy, and I'd like to get to know you a little better." in earshot of her boyfriend while smiling at her and kinoing after holding her hand when you put it out for a handshake.

2.) Stand up straight and tall, face her boyfriend. Make sure you are facing him straight on and are leaning slightly backward and off-balance with your arms firmly placed at your sides.

3.) Close your eyes, take a deep breath and wait for a slobberknocker from the boyfriend that will knock the snot out of your dumb ass.


Sorry, I'm not normally this rude. I just don't understand people this disrespectfully brazen and shamelessly aggressive. Maybe you're just clueless. Learn fast.

I agree. Women with men are not always off-limits, but he did specifically say "boyfriend". It's just that I would rather the OP get a rude awakening here from harsh verbal reproach than on a hospital gurney.

If you can tell or know that they're "together" in a relationship sense, don't do it. Nobody wins, and no one will respect you. Not even the nurses putting the stitches in.

Hello,

I was just answering his question. I never said it was the moral thing to do (but, it is up to you to try it out). The process I posted is how I open mix sets.

BUTT....The way I approach, I start off by opening my target within 3 seconds. I never wait to try to observe the set and try to figure out the relationships. By waiting will put me in my head.

Only when I make it to my second step I find out if that guy she is with is her boyfriend. 80% of the time they seem to be not their boyfriend.
- The simplest way to find out her relationships with the set is to go ask her directly.

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1) To open ... you approach the girl by sticking out your hand and making eye contact with her. This is called the hand of god. When she grabs your hand, pull her in towards you in a dance position where she has her arms around your neck and yours around her waist.
- Since she grabbed your hand ... the boyfriend cannot say anything to stop you because the girl complied.
- Basically, to the boyfriends eyes ... you guys know each other from before.
2) After bantering and vibing ... Immediately ask the logistical question: "Who are you here with and how do you know them?"
- Know her relationship with the dude so you can strategize your plan.
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The point of this process is to make it seem like the girl knows you. By her grabbing your hand and her introducing you. This step can be done on mix sets like her friends.
- The group/boy friend will fall for it because if the group or bf rejects you they are also rejecting the girl.

There is a reason why I ask her to introduce me as her gay friend. This causes a "conspiracy" or "us vs the world" dynamic. Basically, we have a secret that no body else has. But, you do not need to apply this ... Her introducing you as "Hey, this is [insert name]" will still work if she is introducing you to her friends. Plus I don't have to act flameboyent ... the girl introducing me is enough to isolate the girl and get an opportunity to game further.

Lastly, this shit is pretty potent and literally the best method to go approach a mix set/boyfriend!

I wouldn't recommend this if I have not tried it my self :p ... This is how I open every set normally.

Have fun,

Donston

PS: You will feel guilty if you succeed ... but, it's pretty rewarding to accomplish something so difficult and risky. But, it is do able ^_^!
PSS: Thanks for the dudes who stood up for me ... hahahahaha!