Alright lads, so right now I'm in exam period and not really socialising at all never mind picking up chicks... I was was sat on the can the other day (I have a lot of inspired thoughts whilst on the can) and I got thinking about one of my friends... This guy has been with his chick for around 5 years, but he is still the same with chicks as he always was (when she isn't around)... he is assertive if nothing else which is a good quality... However he likes to "wing" my friend and used to try and wing me...

The problem is that he is a fucking shit wing and doesn't know what he's doing... however through his silly wing-game-plan i think i may have found something... You see, he basically treats the whole thing like a business arrangement. He'll walk away from the wing'ee' to some chick and ask what she thinks of him, tells her he thinks she looks hot etc... Which as you guys will know makes said wing'ee' look like a fucking incompetent moron... HOWEVER, he often ends up chatting to that girl himself, through his apparent "negotiating"... I want to know what you guys think about opening a girl (say in a club) by pretending you are doing it on behalf of someone else (this also disqualifies her from your own interest).

There's one of 2 things that I'll start off with. Take into consideration that I'm not an experienced PUA but I have been around a lot of women and I do have a natural air of comfort around them. If your going to use this indirect wing approach you are going to need to have a poor sap of a fellow to humiliate so best not wrangle your friends for a night of heckling. What I would do would locate an unattractive fellow in the room and keep him in somewhat close proximity. I would approach the girl and ask for her opinion of interest in that particular guy. This could backfire and she might think your gay HOWEVER, you could actually use that to your advantage if your savvy and witty, same thing I guess. You could AMOG the poor, unsuspecting guy to humor your target, whilst not degrading one of your own friends in the process.
On the downside though, the lines "my friend over there thinks your cute" or "What do you think about my friend over there" are kind of played out -- Dumber and Dumber for example; how many years ago was that?
What you could do is mix it up a bit and give an old line some panache. Try for example saying "That guy over there has been haggling me to tell you that he thinks your hot. I'm not entirely convinced to be honest". Use a cocky funny tone and be playful about it when you neg her. Follow up with "Ya sure you got a great smile but so do a lot of women. What really matters is personality, that's what really distinguishes beauty in my opinion from common good looks." Build on it from there.
I've only recently gotten into this game "professionally" I guess you could say but that would be my spin on your approach. The only way now is field test it.

Hope you don't mind if I do because I think we actually might be onto something. Guess I'll find out.

--Oddball --

Pretty good post

oddball has a pretty good Idea for the question you are asking. It's sort of a youngsters (17 to 21ish) tactic but I can see it being effective if you tweak the idea a bit.

One other way you could tweak the idea Oddball has is to create that buddy in the bar and pretend you don't know if he's gay but he might be. Go up to a girl and say "there's a guy in here hitting on me, I want him to see me talk to you a minute so he knows I'm not gay"

And even inside that first line you can create some suspense about yourself with how you demonstrate the open. You can make her wonder if you are gay or not among a ton of other things.

You're right I wouldn't want to humiliate my friends... ye that was kind of my worry about overplayed lines, ye i remember dumb and dumber hahaha and that is actually the outcome we're looking for (she gets with harry rather than loyd)
"that guy over there has been haggling me to tell you that he think you're hot, im not entirely convinced to be honest"... mate that is gold in my opinion...
Unfortunately I have a while until i'll be hitting the bars because of exams, go field test it mate! i know ill be field testing the shit out of that next time i'm out!

well i'm 22 so pretty much in your category! ye nice, although i will say, there have been times when fucking ugly girls in clubs wouldn't leave me alone and basically wanted me, and i've attempted the whole "let her see me talk to you thing" and they haven't been so keen to help me out!

well the thing is, you have to be careful not to insult the person you are talking about. If you are going to a woman and referring to another woman as "ugly" or "won't leave you alone" it's probably going to turn them off. Women sort of feel sorry for people like that and don't like hearing strangers insult them.

If you try the gay guy hitting on you thing, you can do it in such a way you aren't insulting gays, but want him (imaginary gay guy who can be your bar talking buddy for the night) to know you aren't by talking to her for a few seconds. you can demonstrate a lot of stuff with that line. Masculinity, sensitivity, cocky-funny, etc. Bare in mind that by using the tactic, if you want the convo to go anywhere, have to have other stuff ready to say, preferably unrelated. And it's ok to say after a few moments of convo especially if it's stalling, "well I may go back and talk to him, I'm not sure if he's lonely or what. thanks for talking"

There, you are demonstrating a lot of compassion and other qualities a lot of girls look for, in the close. One being, the discipline to walk away from your conversation. Some of them will come back and want to talk more later. If they do it's a great sign.

Ye you have a point, i think i can be a little brutal with things like that sometimes and women probably don't like that... I'm going to field test your "gay guy hitting on me" thing on the night of my last exam... What do you think would be a good transition away from the immediate situation?

Going back to the "opening on behalf of another guy" thing... Any suggestions on transitioning away from the topic of the other guy?