was a post a while back and people started mentioning random stuff to open w/. got down to "chocolate". sounded fun, so i tried it with some random HB's.

i write her "chocolate". she replies with her number and that i should call her. that's it.

although, you can't take that example as the rule, every girl is different. however, what it does clearly point out is that LESS IS INDEED MORE.

countless examples where trying to impress by talking to her about stupid shit kills attraction.

makes me think of a few rediculous situations, where i hardly say anything to her at all, barely nod, being vaguely sarcastic and she's just having the time of her life all by herself. babbling and giggling.

Great job on your recent number. Before recommending doing this to others I'd go further to see how many of these you can actually convert to dates, lays, and relationships. #s are ok, but if you can't take it from there to getting her in front of you on a date then its not going to matter much.

Getting phone numbers is not all that difficult. Typically people can get phone numbers off just having some basic rapport and common ground with a person. Maybe even just after a funny opener or for other reasons it may be enough for her to "like" you enough to give you her number.

Getting someone to meet you somewhere cause they trust you and have comfort and rapport with you is entirely different. When they think about actually sitting down with you and conversing with you they may realize they don't really know you all that well and they don't know what they will talk about. Thus the girl may go out of her way to avoid meeting you because she doesn't want to be in that akward moment of having nothing to talk about, and not knowing if she's really going to like you.

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my fastest nclose was looking at a girl while she was walking on campus and talking to someone on the phone, I just smiled at her... gave her my phone... She smiled, put her # in. and i walked away.

They know what to do... but #'s dont mean shit... My friend and I went around campus one day just talking to HB's and HBr's. We got 96 numbers in just a few hours. SO WHAT. NUMBERS DONT MEAN SHIT. Id much rather establish good chemistry with one girl... escalate rather than 96 numbers

I sometimes draw goofy pictures and write below it, "a piece of art for you", hand it to them, and walk away.

I've had girls about twice follow me into the men's bathroom to say "I like your art" and quite often it's returned with their number on it.

However, I much prefer getting Facebook accounts, it's a shit-ton more data you can use to your advantage.

Less is not more in courtship, very few people can build attraction and comfort in a short period of time to capitalize, if you do get a girls number you better have good text game http://showyourmind.wordpress.com/2012/ ... ok-part-1/ or you'll be fucked. When it comes to courtship if you don't make an experience for the woman she has no reason to contact you, the more experiences you have the more of a connection you have. You don't need days to have multiple experiences(you can even do it in 45 minutes). If you don't have a good experience (even an inside joke) you have nothing to connect with them thus the number is useless because she stops answering.

A good example was I went to Del Taco the other night, it was bar close time around my parts so it was packed with drunk folks. There was a cute chick in front of me, I bullshitted with my friend(my game is kind of unique, Attract them all, sort it out later.) So I bullshitted then kind of looked at the girl and said "right?" She smiled and just entered the conversation naturally. I had her very interested, she came over, stood next to me, bumped shoulders and flirted. Avoided 3 other interested guys, and came to me.

Want to know why I didn't ask for a number that was easily available? I was at a fast food restaurant and if you have 5 minutes to collect a number to kick it with a girl, she'll likely be a flake. It's a waste of time to me to put all this effort into a woman that has the reasonable right to flake on you, I have enough women around me that require less effort. I could have handled it but I tend to flow like water down the easiest path.

It's not about the phone number, in fact a phone number is whatever. All that matters is she wants to see you again, by the time you are done talking with a girl her giving you her number should be a minor detail. It should be an expectation. In most cases I have women offer to give me their number through body language(get out their phone, hold it, little reminders) or verbally. In a lot of the cases women make sure I get it, they contact me. It shouldn't be about you having a way to contact you, it's all about her wanting to contact you.

You can build attraction through text, but that would be difficult. How much do you have to talk about so you can make it appear as though you are continuing an interaction(that is what it should feel like)? It's important you realize a phone number is a minor detail in the courtship process. If you make it out to be this big an ordeal, than what do you consider sex? Sex can never happen with regularity until you treat it like a regular behavior.

Oh and Fastest number I got:
Her:You're hot! Call me!

Guess how far that number went, no where.

Just my thoughts on number closing too quickly.

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exactly what poeticlyskuac said . thanks for the elaborate post

did i mention that she said she was in my part of town and i should call her, indicating that SHE wanted a date?

no need to fight boys, of course numbers don't mean anything. i don't need to prove myself, so i'll leave it at that.

i appreciate your comments and opinions.

i didn't call because i don't really care, just thought it was funny.

thanks dude.

no. i'm not recommending.

saw a lot of "trying" from some members to get nr's. goes to show it is not worth all the time and effort.

she is leaving the door open, one should be able to read women well enough to understand WHY she gave you her nr. without interpreting it as her coming on to you automatically. but from that point on, i don't see it as a bad sign generally if palyed well.

go for it. let us know what happens. whats the point of getting her # if you don't follow up

you're right. i did call her. now she's writing me asking when i was coming. shhhh. she must really like that chocolate.

try this speed technique

you see this hot girl walking,roll up on her and..

me:hi,can i tell you something real quick
her:yeah
me:i just literaly saw you walking and i just had to say hi,because you are so gorgeous/sexy/stunning
her:oh thank you(smile)
me:you probaly in a hurry huh..
her:yeah kind off
me:yeah me too,so i can't have a real good conversation with you in the middle of the street right now,but never too worry because i always can give you a call(grab your phone out of your pocket),whats your number?......BAM number!

Again the problem with this style is that you don't have enough attraction built. The number close isn't the issue, the issue is there isn't enough attraction to make much out of it most of the time. The woman has reasonable right to flake on you. I have solid text game, I get a response, get it fast. The conversation are interactive. I know there are things that will make them smile, but you need a little bit of a connection to get things going.

A phone number isn't a big deal, any man can get a number. You just keep asking eventually some chick is going to give you a number. However this is when it starts becoming a numbers game, just keep asking cute chicks the same opener(why add personality right?) and eventually you will get numbers.

Now if you have the number of 20 women when only 2 are a success sexually how much time have you wasted on the other 18? Hell lets say you are really good with text game and you get a meet up 10 of those times(pretty good with only initial attraction with no actual attraction of substance involved), then you have to have in person game. You have to build that attraction anyways. The only difference is you likely wasted a ton of time overall on texting all those other girls trying to game them, you might have even received a message back from all of them but you certainly would be lucky to get 10 meet ups on 20 numbers with this technique.

You don't even give her a laugh you just say you are cute, let me get your digits. Attraction is built through making them feel good, making them laugh or smile. Connections are built through experiences. You realize your first interaction with her usually sets the tone for the continued conversation, how can you add tone or humor to your texts if she has no idea you do that? I'll be damned if I have to add jk or every text at first so she knows I'm a joker and flirt a little.

To sum it up THE PHONE NUMBER IS NOT THE CLOSE. Don't celebrate the win until the Game is over. Getting a phone number isn't a big deal.

In this day and age if you go for day twos rather then SNL you have to have good first impressions, build attraction, have game, good text game, and then at the second meet up good impression and game again. All the while being a responsive male the whole time and escalating at a proper pace the entire courtship process. This is what makes courtship and pick up so difficult there isn't a lot of margin for error in courtship, while there are also a lot of places you can get snagged up.

Stop tripping on getting a number, it's best to actually pull that woman into a 2 minute conversation before you leave (yes get the number but keep having the conversation so you can build an impression and some decent attraction). Though I still think it is a mistake to go this route, you need to steal more than 2 minutes of her time for a higher success rate with women.

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building rapport and attraction is always better,but in daygame(street,bus,train etc.)is pretty hard 2 do because most girls are in a hurry,for example you're talking 2 a girl in a bus and the next stop she has 2 get out or a girl be walking down the street and when you stop her,she basicly forcing 2 end the conversation.
if i see daygame pua they almost always picking up tourist or girls at the beach, where it is obvious they're going 2 the beach but i do have 2 say that how hotter the girl is the better she responds ....daygame is a numbers game

I`m a DJ, had a girl come up to me for a "request" at a club... I`m like "I don`t take requests, what is this a joke? she says open it... BAMM HER NUMBERRRR!

boom yeahrrr! being dj pays off.