I think Alpha is right here. Indirect game is cute and all but it DOESN'T WORK in clubs, even if you have a loud voice it's still hard and risky. That's why I'm more of a fan of direct game.

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Yeah, it DOESN'T work, ever...Mystery and Style NEVER used it

Direct game, unless executed very, very well, and often even then, will NOT make you stand out! Think about it...

Every guy out there can throw out a compliment or two to someone, touch etc etc.

How many times do you think a girl has had a guy ask her for her opinion on something interesting, been playfully put down, had something as interesting as the cube routine done for them?

This is the kind of game which stands out in a girl's mind as being an ADVENTURE and gives you so, so much higher value than some AFCish direct game.

This is where I think you can begin to differentiate PUAs and 'Venusian Artists' even though I hate that term. I think direct game is played to get results, whereas indirect game gets you the results, but is a LOT more fun to play.

i totally agree with you, but i guess girls go out to have fun and dance in clubs, i don't think routine's as the cube and all are really what she wants at that moment, i think it is best to keep it short, also like mentioned before the loud music would make the long routines very hard. I've experienced that opening with something like "i can see you're just to much of a bad girl for me" can work.

This is simply not true... I mean, think about it... every AFC is too afraid to talk to a SHB, unless drunk... which shows and gives her a horrible impression of him anyway. So when you rock on up to her and deliver your opener confidently, without reeking of alcohol, it'll put a huge smile on her face. The HB's 7/8 are the ones that have been approached a million times, because they aren't so intimidating to men. I find that the hottest chicks are usually the most friendly.

I don't hate indirect, I used to do it too, but I get way more results by skipping all the bullshit and just going direct. And besides, in a really loud club you can't talk to everyone and ask their opinion, you can speak to 2-3 people max. And they don't want to hear a long story about how a girlfriend has pictures of your ex-mother's dead cat when her friends can barely hear you. You'd have to repeat yourself to every friend.

But then again, stop focusing on the opener so much, an opener is just a way to start the conversation... in the conversation is where you need to set yourself apart and show how awesome you are.

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Has anyone thought about what goes through a HB's head when a guy approaches her at a club and compliments her then talks briefly and then leaves only to approach another HB or set?

Here why I'm thinking it works.

He compliments her and she instantly knows he is interested. She may or may not be attracted at this point. He asks her a couple of questions which she answers and then he makes an excuse to leave. Straight away he approaches another set.

Shes thinking that this guy thought she was hot. But after talking to her for just a few moments he changed his mind and left to find someone more interesting.

I think its brilliant game. Hes direct at first but then he takes the interest away and leaves her wanting it. Then, he adds jealousy into the mix by immediately opening another set.

I think its brilliant thats my 2 cents.

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I think about indirect game as using
a situation,
targets friends
social proof etc

to pick-up a HB.

Direct would then be:
Go straight into the club and appoach girls.
Thats direct.

Its not direct if target has seen you dancing with HB9.
Its not direct if she sees you telling 20 people an interesting story.
etc
In theese cases you allready "gamed" her.
She has an idea of you.

Its when you pop out of fucking nowhere its really direct.
And being direct is always a gamble.
She has to decide in a second.
She has no idea of who you are.

BUT... I think being "direct" is the way to go...
But only after she has seen you, read your BL, made EC and has idea of you,
Or at least for a second gave you some thought.

Just get back to the start of this thread
I think opening a lot of girls early and then leave is a great.

And even if its very direct to just start a conversation with and say hello,
the gameplan as whole is very much indirect.

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Just to sort of expand on what i said at first:

indirect makes it tough in clubs because most of the time when you see a HB 8+ she is going to be with friends. When you go indirect no matter what you say to open and do the next couple follow up lines, her friends are going to want to hear the conversation... when there is loud as music and her friends continually say what and have you repeat yourself that right there is going to make you feel less confident of where the conversation is going and make them look at you as being unconfident all because of the music is blaring. You dont want to be screaming in a girls face for 5-10 minutes to make a conversation... even if you are able to "pull her aside to talk more quietly"

With the direct. Its either a go or no go. there is no wasting time gaming a girl that is set solely in her head on saying no to you. When going direct whoever the mark is she is going to either be 1-interested in you or 2-not interested in you. You will know which one she is later in the night if she gives you any sort of IOI in your direction through the club. Another positive is that with being direct, if you have approach anxiety (which EVERYBODY has atleast a slight amount) you will be approaching the HB's one after another after another not even thinking about the consequences of what could possibly happen... therefore eleminating the possible result of physcing you out.

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The funny thing about game is anything can work in the right context with the right presentation. A decent looking guy could walk up to a girl and say "I have a boner" if it is delivered to the right girl at the right moment in the right tone. There is no right or wrong but this forum is a learning symposium.

I think the direct game described in this post can work excellent but not if there are a lot of guys doing the same thing. If everyone if drooling over girls and guys outnumber girls 3 to 1 use indirect game. If it's a 50/50 or better deal, use direct game.

Always go for hotties - your social proof will plummet if girls see you get shot down by a 6.

Just curious about social proof and all. From my own experience, I barely keep tabs of guys who got rejected out loud or got splashed in the face with a drink or something. I've seen harsh rejections but I kinda just... forget about it.

Does the whole social proofing only exist if your target has noticed you already? Or you've already approached earlier so u know the next time she sees you from afar you're with someone?

And social proofing in general pretty much resets from night to night right?

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Alright, alright, im liking this. and im seeing how it works. im more of an indirect opener but i like this method. here's my question though.. what question(s) would you walk away from after they answer? any question, or just shit test questions etc.?

Personally id just play the club like this using his routine

ex:
pua: hey idk who you are but you got some pretty eyes
hb: thanks =]
pua:yea so where u from?
hb:[some college]
pua:cool cool. so can u dance?
hb: [whatever her answer is]
pua:[walk away n open diff set]

-later-

pua:so yea you were tellin me about your dancing. ready for some lessons?
hb: no [if yes, go of course with her]
pua: [walk away n open diff set]

-later-
pua: are you ready now?
hb: yea!
pua: ight but give me your cell so i can put my number in. [put number in and walk away lol]