Hahahahahahaha too funny.

I think the point to be taken away here is that the order isn't friendship and then attraction - it's attraction and then friendship.

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You're not gonna be having any less sex with her if you don't talk to her.

a group of guys following her around. i love it. what tools. College is wierd sometimes the same thing happened at my school. There was a group of "friends" 1 HB, her fat friend and 8 guys who all wanted the HB. Even when i was more afcish, i knew that hanging around hoping she'll just suddenly pick you because you were so nice was not the way to go. I find girls are willing to ditch their guy friends quickly when they find a better guy with the right shit. I was talking to a bunch of girls once (about 8 of them of varying degrees of hottness.2 were 9's) about our dads and I was saying how my dad never let me win at anything growing up, ever. One of the girls said that was good and at least he didn't raise you to be a pussy then. I agreed but then all the other girls started speaking up and they said their biggest annoyance in a guy was being a pussy. Most of them can't stand wussy guys even as friends. :0. I was shocked they said really really nice guys they don't even really consider guys and can become friends with them, but for the most part if a girl views you as a pussy your out and she won't even like you. Just what these girls said. You gotta remember you might be saying well I used to be a pussy and girls were nice to me, girls are also nesting creatures and their motherly instinct comes out if you can't seem to take care of yourself. The feel sorry for you, just like you would a wounded animal. So man up boys.

Agreed, you gotta push girls to the edge of being pissed off. Don't piss them off, but you gotta get real close, and then DHV and throw in a compliment.