The openers you listed sound like day game stuff.

If you're trying to night game at bars/clubs, you can honestly use the weirdest openers if you just have the inner game. Recently, some of my boys and I have been doing things where once or twice a night we give the other person an incredibly weird opener that they have to use on a set. To make it even worse, the person that picks the opener gets to pick the set. A couple of weeks ago I picked one of the hardest sets in the club (6 HB8's) sitting at a corner table and told my boy to open them asking about how if any of them have herpes then the 2 of them will be a perfect match. He strolled up not giving a fuck, said the opener, spent 20 minutes in the set and left with a number.

- Okay I only have a second but I need a girls opinion really quick. If you start dating a girl and after 3 months she has a problem with you talking to girls of the opposite sex, is that the RIGHT type of jealousy, or COMPLETELY over the top?
- Do you think if you start dating someone who is in relatively good shape, and after a couple of months they completely let themselves go and gain weight...is that probable cause to break up with them? Or what do you do?

I love the above two because they both make the girl think you have a girlfriend, even though you never explicitly said you did. After you hook her, you can explain "The reason why i'm asking is my friend over there is going through this blah blah blah." Or a lot of times I'll even say it was me going through it but I told my girlfriend we needed a break. This implies that not only am i datable, but have the choice to dump the girl. Also, in your opener in a night scene you should (almost) always be using false time constraints and proper body language.

Here's a couple of way simple other ones.
- Does this outfit make me look gay?
- If i wasn't gay you'd be sooo mine
- OMG did you see those girls fighting outside?
- Cut the girls off before they reply and explain the fight
- Hi I'll explain later, but I need you to COMPLETELY reject me
- Has anyone ever told you how beautiful…I am?
- (When you clearly don't know the girl) Sarah? Sarah from middle school? Wow you look sooo much hotter without the braces, and you've lost weight!
- You have a good girl face, but your vibe is showing bad girl mannerisms
- We're gonna fight, and its gonna suck for you 'cuz i always win
- Stop looking at me like a fat kid looks at a cheeseburger!
- Did you invite all these people? I thought it was just going to be the two of us?

Happy sarging bud

T.R.

I have something like around 1000 approaches. I have been gaming for a year.

In Gambler's book, he said that the opener isnt important, it is how you follow it later. And I agree with that statement.
Sometimes direct opener worked for me instantly with a model, other times it failed completely.
I am also not against scripted openers. I had a good opener that involved buying a gift to an aunt, which was followed by ESP routine and then 2 stories.

Opening is like opening a chess game. If the environment and the girl is the chess player opponent, you as the chess player need to respond with your first move accordingly.

A direct opener wont give you consisten results unless you are handsome, while an indirect opener is safer in most cases, but wont be suitable if you havent got much to open with but with a really bad and boring opener.

I like JHAs openers, I think they are good. But even his openers would fail a lot, especially in day game where there are very few girls who are likely to want to get to know you. That is true especially to a place where I come from..