Hi all. Has anyone has had success with pof? I get messages back every now and then, but I'm 5'4 and it seems that appearance makes a much bigger deal in online dating than in real life (I have female friends who have POF and they can get like 100+ messages in a day. obviously, they sort out by physical appearance before even opening the messages). Is the average looking guy doomed in online dating? What are some profile tips or messaging tips?

I find the more direct I am the quicker I get their attention and over the past year I've tried to be funny, romantic, and whatever else but in the end what works for me is to just say stuff like

Me- "damn girl, your hott! get your ass over here!", and it's usually followed up with
HB-" I thought you are looking for a relationship!" or "are you always this demanding?".
Me- "yeah, could be" or "yeah, I get what I want"
HB- "well if your a little nicer you might get what you want"
Me- "you want me to beg?"
HB- "NO! Just be nicer!"
Me- " ok, get your sexy ass over then!"

Omit the relationship part because that was one that I'm kinda still working on but just about word for word is how this went down and she was at my place in two hrs! Yeah it doesn't work all the time and dont ask me why it does work when it does, but when it works... It works! It's kinda like shock and awe! You'll find what works best for you tho, just keep trying different things. I believe bravo has a great video somewhere on here about online dating as well as a lot of other threads too by others! Also I get more response around 1 or 2 in the morning. Just have fun with it!

You can upload sum pictures that demonstrate high value. You know show them the fun & interesting things you like to do. Maybe have a couple friends in the photo too. Show them you're social. Know how to have a good time.

I think here are some pointers that I have researched:
1) Pictures
Have multiple pictures showing you do different stuff. Also make sure you put pictures with some of your friends in it. Wear a shirt don't show your chest. Girls hate it on dating sites.
2) Profile
Don't write much about your interests but rather focus on what kind of people you hang out with and your habits. Be vague as much as possible don't go into details; this enables her to be curious about you. You are not trying to write a story. You can talk in depth on phone or in person. Grammar and spellings should be correct. No using: u for you etc. Write enough to generate curiosity.
3) Phone number
Getting her phone number will depend on when and how you ask her. Ask her too soon and she will say no because she as a reason of saying "I barely know you". Wait too long, she will be unsure about you. You must have a little connection before you get her number.
Read The Ultimate Guide to Text and Phone Game by Braddock, it is simply amazing.Talk to her on the phone more than texting her. If you keep texting her you just be text buddies and you will go to hell in a hand basket. Use the phone only as a means to meet her not as a means to have a full conversation.
4) Emotions
Never tell her how you feel about her unless you hear it from her first. Never react to her emotions. Never show that you are angry or frustrated. Portray yourself as a fun (good quality), dominating (being in charge) type of man.
5) Conversation
When you meet her, depending of what you think of her, you might be nervous. Thats OK. Be an observant and talk about the interesting things that you are observing. Talk about different things and don't be latched on to just one topic. This communicates to her subconscious that you are an interesting guy. Let her do most of the talking. Interrupt her midway while she is talking and talk about something else. I call it conversation hijacking. This communicates to her subconscious that you are a confident guy.
6) Social proof. Find out what this is.
7) Transition into a girlfriend.
Read Matt Hudson's train your girlfriend manual to possess attractive traits and to train her to behave how you want to.

This is just a rough draft. Please comment if you find anything incorrect. Thank you.