Ok Where do I start? I guess a "Hi" will be the best way to open this forum (see I am already going for it ) and then transition into the rest. But first of all you guys rock, in every sense of the word and what you guys do here is priceless. Not sucking up to you guys but just saying how I feel about what you do here. Girls look out for each other "cockblocks" so us guys need to stick together.

WARNING: This post is going to be looongg and I need you guys to give me your opinion and also this will help fellow newbies. I know because I am one.

Hi guys, I am Maz and a loser with girls. Like a fellow poster, I had read the game 2 years ago but didn't act on it (yeah I know I deserve to be hung, drawn and quatered for it) My mate who introduced me to it, started at the same time and has now been with so many girls that he lost count. He's not boasting about it just telling me when I met him a few days ago. I on the other hand have been with 2 girls so far in the 2 years. So to cut long story short, I am kinda sick and tired of sitting at home and being a total failure with girls.

So what I done was to start again fresh. I found out by reading different articles/posts that there is a lot of contradictory/confusing information out there and this can be a real hinderance when it comes to us young Padawans learning the art of Masters.

• Some say compliment the girls on her looks or to say what comes to your mind first, while others will crucify you if you complimented her on her looks.
  Some say escalate as soon as possible, while others say keep it platonic at the first meeting/approach.
  Some say make eye contact in a sexual way and not smile before she does, while others say give s warm smile when you make eye contact.

Those are just a few I might type more out later when I remember

I actually read in a post somewhere that newbies should forget everything (well to a certain extent) and just approach and say Hi. That's it just say Hi, smile and walk away. Well guess what my fellow comrades, this stuff actually works. I done it to quite a few women now and turned the serious look on their face into a smile. I was like Ohh F***ing WOW. I just couldn't believe it.

I done it to a girl the other day who I meet in the morning when we walk past each other everyday. At first she would just look and then look away in a non-interested way. I thought no-way, I am going alpha on her (in my own limited sense ) and next time she looked at me I held eye contact, smiled at her and said "hi" without even waiting for her to react.

Guess what, she smiled back and actually said Hi. *sigh* it was a lovely smile she had. I met her today after not seeing her for a day or two. This time she actually looked at me said "morning" and smiled with a big grin. I for my part in a AFC kind of way said, "morning, you ok", she smiled again broadly and said yes and looked a bit nervous/shy.

So what do I do tomorrow. She's asain and looks a bit reserved, so I am trying to be a bit careful. I know I shouldn't over-think this and care too much but if I don't care, I don't think I am ever going to learn. And no this is not oneitis, I just don't want to waste this if I can help it. If you guys tell me to waste it and pretend I don't care and not to put any thought into it then I will follow your advise. But I think for beginners it might be mistaken for oneitis but we are actually trying to perfect it and to perfect it we have to care.

Am I making sense or have I succeeded in confusing evevryone? (If I ahve, you get to kick me for free the next time you see me)

I agree with you. Someone says it is white and another one says it is black.
Unfortunatly about that they will answer: try yourself and check what works for you.

Lol. Bro I totally messed up today. So messed up that it's almost funny.

I met her again today. To make matters worse it was raining a bit (well more of a drizzle) and I couldn't see under her unbrella. so when I got close I saw it was her but she wasn't looking. I still said hi just after I passed her, she took 3 steps and then turned around and put her phone down (yeah she was on her phone). Here's how it went after that.

Her: Hi, how are you?
Me: Fine and you?
Her: Fine thanks
Me: You off to work?
She: Yes (with a smile)
Me: Ok I got to ask you, how come you always on the hpone when I pass you
She: *smiling*, These days life revolves around phones.
Me: *In a really lame AFC kinda way* same here, I try not to talk on mobiles but I get calls all the time << that was sooo lame
Me: So where do you work (trying not to break the silence and speaking really fast now. I'm losing it here)
......Convo went like that for a few seconds with me talking really fast, with no proper eye contact, no kino no nothing. Girls sense this man. She said she's getting late for work. she had told me where she works.I kept talking but then I made the biggest mistakes...I asked if we could meet up for a coffee after work.

Me: So do you want to meet up for coffee after work? (lame again)
She: No I am finishing late today and have to get back home.
Me: ok maybe some other time then.
She: ok maybe.
Me: so would you like to give me your number? (what???? would you like to? maybe I should have just told her not to give it)
She: She goes she can't do it because of family at home, blah blah.
Me: ok see you then.

There's my epic failure. Is there anyway to salvage this guys? Again, not onitis, just want to learn and see if I can salvage then why not. If not, then move on.

I was thinking of coming clean on Monday. saying my fault I rushed and that maybe it was too quick. I will still take you out for a drink though. Not forcing you but telling you that I will. And I know you like me too.

The thing is that she didn't say she didn';t want to give it to me because she didn't like me. Some excuse about family and stuff. Or girls always do that to be sweet and not say it's because they don't like the guy?

What do you think guys?

I stopped reading when you called yourself a loser. fix that first then come see me.

Sure, but how do I fix it though? It's just the truth that I was emphasizing. I know you probably very good with women but please bear with the new people and explain further. Do you mean inner game? If so, any pointers?

I am ready to absorb all info you can give me (although if it was a little less cryptic, that would immensely help)

Thanks for your input. Appreciate it

You need to work on getting your confidence levels up, which could include doing things such as:

• Going to the Gym 3 times per week
  Eating more healthily
  Dressing in style
  Changing your mindset to being a 'Winner'
  Practice saying 'Hi' and having conversations with strangers

Understood. Already started ticking the boxes for those. I keep learning so much new stuff everyday. Thank you.

very useful information. thanks a lot for this.

thanks