Hey lads I finally made my first approach last Saturday, but it wasn't much of a bit. Well I've walked to the girl and told her she looks familiar to me (as I saw her few times on Facebook, talked online but never face to face). So then I've asked if she came alone to the club or with her friends, she presented me one of her friends which I did some handshake kino, then introduced my shy wingman to the girls, stayed for a few more moments, but then told her I gotta return to my friends.
So basically I run out of subjects to speak with a girl, after opener and introduction I often freeze and I have no clue what to talk about.
I have gained some nice confidence after Saturday so I think if I will just lose it again, I will push myself infront of the girl so then I'll talk.
What are your routines when going in club? Can you share some secrets of what you talking/doing? Like, I'd need a basic conversation you had with a girl from opener to # close (I prefer this to jog firstly with). I know eye contact and kino is a must.
PS: Which openers are better? Opinion or lines?

Dude. Sorry to break it up to you like this

There are no "secrets" to what we do and or talk and what we might have talked about or done with a particular girl on a particular ocasion might not work for you.

There's no point on asking a particular opener or routine. You have to develop your own routines depending on your personality and game.

If you're looking for routines and/or openers, there's a section (and several posts) devoted to that in this forum.

The opener depends mostly on 3 things:

Where you at
Are you at a coffee shop? in the middle of the street? at a club? at a mall?

What time of the day is it
Is it early morning? Is it past evening?

What kind of game you running (usually depends on your confidence level)
Are your looks playing for you? Are you playing direct game? Are you shy?

Now: there is no "Better" when talking about openers, As I said, it depends on many factors wheter you use one type of opener or another. Some openers are more suitable than others.

For example, if you're walking in the middle of the street, 3pm, and you see a girl you like, you can try starting a conversation by asking her where is the nearest starbucks... On the other hand it would be kinda stupid to try to open a girl, at a club, askin her the same question....

I don't know if you have already, but please, read The mystery method (pretty basic book to start with)

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I have a lot of openers stocked up in my mind, but I freeze after I open with a girl so I am basically asking what you guys talk after that, with a girl and how to build rapport.

This comes from my experience in sales so I hope it works

Mirror her body language
Mirror her speach (she talks slow, dont talk fast)
Energy levels have to be about the same
Talk a lot in statements
No yes / no questions

Ask questions about her. Continue from what she said. I believe Gambler had a good way to continue the conversation. When she says something, ask yourself 3 questions.

What kind of women would do that.
Why would she do it
What feelings does she have while doing it.

For example:
If she says she was surfing last week,

You can make this analysis.

They are adventurous, probably likes traveling as well. They probably also like the challenge to stay on theyr board etc and really like the adrealine rush. Then you can make statements about these and continue your convo this way (I believe this was the same example Gambler gave, didnt feel like being original).

Also your opener might be the problem. Your opener needs to give you info you can use to continue the conversation with. If you dont get any info about her or her beliefs continuing the convo is hard.

Good opener:

What sets you apart from all the other women here? And dont talk about your appearance.

Like this she has to give you some info you can work with. After she said something, just reframe it/ repeat what she said in other words and let her continue talking.

she I like surfing.
you Ahh, I can understand that, you really like being one with the ocean, standing on top the the waves. It probably reaaly feals good doesnt it?
she something else

(again with the surfing)

chiefs-guide-to-outer-game-vt75887.html

is also a good guide, written by Chief, especially the part about conversations might help you.

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Okay pal thanks for advices. I just suck at fluff talk, really.