Whenever I am at high energy clubs and having a random shyness attack, I go to the smoking section of the club and find a two set or a three set and walk up too them and say "I am going to look like a total bitch right now but could I bum a cig off one of you guys" and sometimes if the hotter hb i say it too looks like she is going to say no, i immediately look at her and say "You already look like you are going to say no" throw her a smile and then i turn my back slightly to her and look at her less attractive friend and a couple times the hotter HB will reply with "Do I come off as a bitch or something lol" this is where you can throw a nice little NEG in with out being to mean" After I say this cig opener i have broke the ice and im in. You have to keep them engaged and interested since you are not approaching with "I can only stay for a minute cuz i have to get back to my friends but..." This opener although it will have ur lungs hurting real quick, had a almost perfect success rate of allowing me to engage in the convo with the sets and even throw a couple routines at them. One group i even through some negs at these two gangster hb8.5's and made fun of them saying my pecs were bigger then both of them and they started feeling all over me and lifting up my shirt. I like this opener also as a warm up for the night.

EDIT: The reason i call myself a bitch in a funny/friendly manner is that i read in a mens health magazine that girls find it attractive when guys degrade their selves in a light funny manner...nothing serious where you look like a loser tho.

you have so many openers to open sets whenever/wherever the situation is...but this one sounds ok too..to me it seems that delivery/playful tone are the traits that work here.

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I've given up smoking but in my experience I've found that bumming cigarettes off people can be a great, great way to meet new friends. I have a sort of pseudo hypothesis that on the whole, people who smoke are more social than people who don't, simply based on the Principle that we are attracted to others who are like us. Since by and large, cities have ordinances outlawing smoking indoors, you can see these people smoking outside and inevitably, because they share a common interest, you will see them talking to each other.

If you take a couple hours to master the art of palming, you can make large sets eat out of your hand by bumming a cigarette and make it seemingly vanish into thin air. It's always fun to ask for another cigarette after you do this, pretending they never gave you one in the first place.

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I actually read a study that if someone doesnt like you, simply asking if u can borrow a pencil (if in a class together) from them and them giving it to you can make them like u more. You would have to look it up for further details, but maybe this same thing can be applied when asking for a cig. Even if they do or dont like you im sure this theory will make the person willing to talk to u a little more. Who knows tho

Code21 - it's quite a famous theory that I probably first read about maybe even on here. I think the main example was Washington or Lincoln or someone like that who ended up lending a book to one of their main political rivals (I'm English and my American politics/history is bad - no offence to all you Americans!) and the nature of lending and borrowing and returning etc ended up creating a closer bond between the two.

I don't smoke as a rule, but on a night out I do sometimes, and it is always very sociable. If you've always got cigarettes on you, then asking for a light is probably the better option, as even more people are going to be willing to give you a light than one of their (ever more expensive) cigarettes. In fact, possibly the hottest girl I ever got with I started chatting up in the smoking area - her friend came and asked me and my mate for a light, my mate ended up going home with the friend, and I took her home. Great way to get talking. BUT if you're not a normal smoker, then you have to deal with the issue of smelling of smoke etc. which can limit your prospects.

7000 I like the asking for a lighter better...doesnt seem as needy or bummish. Im not much of a smoker but the girls that smoke i have a feeling are the freakier ones lol

I simply can not get over the smoking aspect. As soon as I see a girl with a cig, I'm instantly turned off. Can't stand the smell of it.

hell i smoke and it bothers ME when a girl smokes...the smell is NOT attractive.

i should stop smoking..tomorrow..

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