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PostPosted: Fri Feb 18, 2011 2:32 am 
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Ok so there is this girl in my school, now to give you a little background, we have been going to the same school for 4 years now. She lives near me, and we have had very minor conversations here and there. Now shes been giving very subtle IOI's nothing obvious. The problem is that she is in a different "clique" if you will, and some of her friends are potential Game killers.

Give some suggestions on how to approach and start a routine without coming off as an obvious suiter

Thanks for your input

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college is a great place to do pick up. you get to see the same people everyday, and you're able to do some research on your target so that you know how to formulate your game plan. but in my opinion i like to do things spontaneously without thinking, just look at my target, analyze it and the situation you're both in and come up with an opening. it happens with alot of guys that they get anxious and they dont know what to say and afraid to open a girl, but there's no need to. just before opening a girl, have the 'i dont give a shit" frame of mind, act like you dont care about the consequences. therefore you will feel less tense, relaxed and more focused so you have complete control. if you screw up, you can always do it again with another girl. even great puas have had many rejections but because of all those rejections they learnt what they did wrong, they got used to it and decided that they dont care what happens and always try again. it's because of all of the rejections that made these puas great.

women like men who are observant and situational. notice things about ur target, what she is wear (clothes, jewelry etc). so if u notice something about her (do not comment on how beautiful she is) tell her about it e.g. u notice her bracelet, when talking to her, take hold of her wrist gently and say "wow this is an interesting bracelet, whats the story behind it?", there's always a background story behind women\s accessories. be situational about the environment you are in, whats happening, what do you see, make a statement about it or ask her opinion on it. being situational is much better than scripted material.

here are some of my other posts about building attraction and rapport with a girl.

one thing you should know is when to tease (push pull technique, negging etc). they should only be used if ur target is a 7.5 or above (or the girls who think they are 7.5 or above whereas in actual fact they are not). if you were to tease a girl below that rating, you would end of hurting and insulting them. in exclaimer for using negging and teasing is that one should positively validate their target before they negatively validate them. the reason to do it in this way is because one must hook their target in order to get their attention. so after the positive validation (for a set who is +7.5) you negatively validate them (tease, push) in order to put yourself at a higher level than them because at the beginning they are higher than you. the main reason why it is good to use negging is to challenge the ego of a girl of high calibre which is something that a typical afc does not do. and by doing this, it shows that u r a man that has high standards and does not go for just any girl and this will make the girl more interested and it will compel her to work harder to gain your approval because you have showed disinterest in her, told her that she does not fit your standards (negative validation). girls always want the guys that is surrounded by women and guys which are difficult to get, its a challenge for women to go after those guys.

building rapport is a very interesting process. in order to build a great emotional connection one must choose to talk about things which have deep emotional content. it does not matter what the girl does or likes, you can connect with her even if you have dissimilar interests. as you know all occupations and hobbies are completely different in their complexity, principles and structure, but there is one thing which all of them have in common/share "EMOTIONS". one must be empathetic and show a girl that u understand why she chose to do that job or hobbie by expressing the emotions that one feels when doing that activity, it shows that you're really trying to get to know her, and she will think "wow this is a great guy to talk to, he's making an effort to understand me, but wait, i dont know anything about him" and this will compel her to ask you questions and u can freely express yourself how ever much u want as long as u express urself passionately and positively. all the men dont do this at all and do not understand how much empathy is a powerful force and openly allow themselves to be perceived to see a girl superficially. you can use the concept of 'rapport' to ur advantage as well.

in order for you to build greater rapport with her, get used to asking more open-ended questions e.g. "what have you been up to?" or "What did u get up to today?", my one: "What monkey business did u get up to today?". dont use questions like "wats up hun?", thats a closed-ended question which the girl would simply answer and she wont give u much material to work on in order to reach the hook point.

and connect on her answers in a positive way. dont be afraid to tease her as well. dont be afraid to create impact. when telling a girl about a situation that happened to u on that day or in the week, give more details about it, women love details. it is also good to read the local news paper, women are usually very aware what happens in the world, u should as well. u can get her point of view on something in the news (nothing to do with which celebrity had sex with who) e.g. political, environmental, sociological etc and then she would ask you what u think and you can manipulate the conversation which can lead anywhere u want.

another way u can have an "endless conversation" is the principle of "Question, statement, Question, statement, Q, S, Q, S etc". so u ask an open question, receive the answer, and then make a statement about the last thing she said in order to ask a deeper question. this process can go round in a circle, it can go on for ages.

after you have the girl attracted to you and built rapport, here's how to make sure that you can get a definite number close and afterwards ensure a date in the future.

the way to ask a girl out is by 'offering' not asking permission, never ask "Do you want to go out tonight?" or "will you go out with me?" or "so what time are you free tomorrow?". They are all questions which AFCs do. they make a guy sound needy, desperate, dependent on doing something with her.

so before offering a date, let her know how busy and sociable you are. girls want guys who are difficult to get. usually in rapport with girls, to make sure she does not flake on u after the first meeting, there's a pua principle called 'seeding'. this is when u in plant an invitation in the conversation with her but u havent actually invited her. for example, you could say that "im thinking of going to this really cool bar sometime next week which i heard about". now usually when a guy mentions to a girl about going to a bar, club or party that u know, the girl will always expects the guy to automatically invite her. but what you would do is just to mention the party or the bar and continue on the conversation. this will catch the girl off guard and the girl will be thinking "hey, this guy is pretty cool (depending on the attraction and rapport), but he has just mentioned this party but why is he not asking me out?". she will think this and will be more compelled and desperate for you to ask her and she realises that she needs to work in order to get the invitation. women want to go to things that are hard to get into, exclusive and even more if they are told they cant go. people always want to go to things when they have been told they cant go. sounds so forbiden and interesting.

dont be in the position to be waiting for a girl to call you, women are lazy or busy but definitely unreliable. you make the contact. but when u contact, dont sound like you are too eager to see her, bad sign to show that ur desperate. in between texting a girl, act like u dont care if she ever replies back. i know it sounds crazy, but it does not feel good waiting, checking ur phone every so often seeing if the girl replies. have the frame of mind that u dont care about a reply, then u will feel less anxious, and more focused on ur game.

Hope that i have helped. happy gaming dude ;-)


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 18, 2011 3:39 pm 
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Although I am new to this website, I am not new to Gaming women, I appreciate your input but i am looking for something a little more personalized to my situation. Something i can use directly in the field would be preferable, Im 18 and a senior, so highschool Game is much different from college game in some areas.

Some additional Information: I only see this girl in two of my classes in school, besides that there is really no outside contact, but in these classes are several game killers

So im looking for options, recommendations, suggestions, and examples, not an overview of Game, thanks for your help

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yo i have this same exact problem...u guys got any ideas?


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just another quick update: This girl is considered as one of, if not the hottest girl in my school. Now with that being said, that has really never been a problem for me that doesnt effect my approach at all. But the challenge of this is that several guys have tried and failed with this girl, but with my game and your polishing of my approach i know that this is just as easy as any other girl

Really need some responses, this will help other people as well so dont be selfish and hold back any knowledge you may have.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 22, 2011 1:01 am 
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ok. the first thing you need to do is some research on the other guys how have approached and failed. find what they said and did. I assume they were all sucking up to her saying things like "You're so beautiful, you're so cool, can i carry your books?" all of this BULLSHIT. she has heard things many times and gets very bored and annoyed. therefore one must be atypical, stand out from the other afcs, show her that your not a push over and you're the man.

you're objective is to destroy her BITCH SHEILD and pass her shit tests. usually when guys come front a chick and then when she gives them shit, they freeze and never know what to do.

The idea is not to find the best opener but how to handle yourself after the opener and fight back when she gives you shit.

I think in this situation you should be indirect and use an opinion opener "Hey, i can't stay for long as i've got to meet up with some friends for lunch. but i need to get your opinion on something. I'm taking my grandma out for coffee later and wondering which is the best place to get coffee Starbucks or NAME OF ANOTHER?". Say this opener confidently and commanding. if you sense/notice that she's about to interrupt you and about to be bitchy say "Now, before you answer, take your time to think about, which is the best place to go?". by interrupting her, you'll catch her off guard and will ruin her bitch rampage that she was about to initiate and will lose her train of thought and will answer. when she answers and ask why you are asking her, show her that you positively validate her by saying something like "thats a good question, has anyone ever told you that you look like a woman that has very high standards when it comes to food and drink?". this will really get defence mechanisms go crazy, because these are unexpected remarks. then she'll think that you're just hitting on her so respond in a way that you approve that she is a straight forward woman and compare her to all of the sweet bubbly girls around. this will bring down her bitch field.

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emotionally detach yourself completely. watch out the split second you sense she is about initiate the bitch mode and interrupt her before she says anything. dont show any signs of weekness and be cool and confident. catch her off guard by showing approval of her remark, dont compliment. dont get angry at her.

another point to make is that when a woman gives shit to you, show her that you are entertained by her bitchy persona. have in your mind that she is a little girl being praty and you're enjoying it. tell her how much you love it and then she'll realise that being a bitch would not make you go away and that you can handle it, therefore she'll get out of her bitch mode.

Hope that i have helped. Happy gaming dude ;-)


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 22, 2011 1:11 am 
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wow jackson thats good shit right there and im lovin your input to this thread but i got a little curveball for ya, she's actually rather quiet but she opens up over time.

i completely agree with what your saying about how everyone compliments her and that i need to be different from that. Also I wouldnt at all say she is bitchy, but i feel that she does have very high standards for herself.

Keep the help comin boys, this is the stuff people need to hear

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 22, 2011 2:26 am 
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i am the king of highschool pick ups.
here we go
step 1: build more conversations with her casually infront of her amog friends.
step2: do not be phazed by any of them, play it cool act lik u just dont give a fuck
step3: start to flirt wit her but in a very joking way, neg her VERY HARD
step4: start to build enuff rapport to get her number, be like yo lets skip class and smoke a blunt or something like that
step5: text her stupid corny jokes and when she says ur so gay, be like naaaa u love my corny jokes... remember NOTHING PHAZES UU
step6: start texting her and being like yoooo any parties tonite???? or suggest her a big banging party
step7: pull and push with her all night wen ur in person.
step8: girls like to feel stupid, be witty and say stuff like name a state that has one syllable.... no one gets it... its maine btw
stuff like that girls learn ur witty and make her seem stupid and useless. hb10's in highschool love to be stupid and ignored and yelled at... ITS ALL ABOUT GIVING THEM NO ATTENTION THEN CLOSING IT BY SHOWING Your SOFT Side once u have enuff rapport and ur alone. hope it helps


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oh my god please dont do gay fucking time constraints THEY ARE FUCKING USELESSSSS!!!!!!! idont care who says im wrong I AM RIGHT.
YOUR BODY LANGUAGE AND HOW U TALK ALREADY SAYS IF YOU WANNA STAY OR IF U WANNA LEAVE... its all confidence and humor mixed wit a little bit of evil.... :)


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time constraints are useful in club settings but in high school everyone is running on the same clock so it is useless. I would approach go the whole find one of her friends to befriend have have her introduce you two during lunch or something. that makes ur value sky rocket, from there u can playfully flirt and blast her with eye contact, grab her number and call her go out and do things id never txt it gets mixed up let her txt you thats a big ioi but always keep up that sexual tension and ull be fine.


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Alright Awesome boys! now i have a question in conscerns with what drewuggz was saying... She does twice the partying that i do and she a bit of a drinker, sorry to say i get skipped on the invitation list.

How do you suggests i overcome this minor setback?

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i think it is a set back that can be simply overcome. you said that you dont get invited to the parties and missed from the invitation list. so it's about time to get on those list and see yourself right at the top. what you need to do is go to the people who usually host and organize the parties, befriend them, make them feel good about themselves and like you, demonstrate value and show them approval of what they do. therefore you will considered a VIP to them and get invited to all the parties.

when you do go to the parties, you can challenge her and tease her for not being a big party animal. then depending on the attraction you built she will qualify herself and seek your approval. therefore attraction will build much faster. at one of these parties, isolate her and then hook up with her.


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much thanks to you jackson, i appreciate your help man


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Jackson's right mmake urself the life of the party and ignore her more then go to her and neg her for not being as crazy as you and she will run straight to you


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