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PostPosted: Thu Feb 17, 2011 7:39 am 
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Well guys, I need help, I need help bad.

You see this all started in class when this girl was giving me positive IOI's on the first day--I mean looking back at me and basically just trying to get into eye contact, but due to my lack of confidence I didn't figure out that it was meant for me. Until day two when she stole my buddy’s seat to sit next to me, and started giving me even more positive IOI's. Due to her taking my buddy’s seat, he was forced to sit in front of her and this caused a problem. You see my friend and I were talking and she just kept looking at me, trying to get my attention, but like an idiot I ignored her on purpose in order to “play the game, or lack of thereof.” From there she kept playing with her hair and it wasn’t until my friend cut me off and opened up for me that we initiated small pockets of conversation here and there. The fact that my friend opened up for me turned out to be a negative, because he ended up getting more attention, although I’m not too worried about this because he’s not in the class anymore.

At the end of class I did manage to introduce myself, but I don’t even know if I’m “in” anymore because: a.) the next class day someone stole my seat and I continued to ignore her again by not even going over and talking to her, and b.) when she was talking with my friend he kept sending her over to me and she seemed to be into the convo, but I really acted uninterested and she seemed to comply.

So basically what I’m asking is if there’s any way I can get back into this? I would really appreciate the help guys, I know I’m new here but I’m willing to learn and I can adapt quickly.


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well the biggest mistake that you made is that you showed disinterest right from the start which is what a pua does not do. the guy always has to show a certain level of interest but not too interested. think your friend should have helped you more in the sense that if your girl was talking to someone else at the time, he could open the two girls, initiate an accomplishment introduction (meaning that your boy makes you look good infront of your girl), then he introduces you into the set, make formal introductions and then your friend distracts the other girl so that you can work on your girl.

here are some notes about building attraction, rapport and what to do after getting a girl's number.

Opening: women like men who are observant and situational. notice things about ur target and the environment, what she is wearing (clothes, jewelry etc), whats happening around you two. so if u notice something about her (do not comment on how beautiful she is) tell her about it e.g. u notice her bracelet, when talking to her, take hold of her wrist gently and say "wow this is an interesting bracelet, whats the story behind it?", there's always a background story behind women's accessories. be situational about the environment you are in, whats happening, what do you see, make a statement about it or ask her opinion on it. being situational is much better than scripted material.

attraction: one thing you should know is when to tease (push pull technique, negging etc). they should only be used if ur target is a 7.5 or above (or the girls who think they are 7.5 or above whereas in actual fact they are not). if you were to tease a girl below that rating, you would end of hurting and insulting them. in exclaimer for using negging and teasing is that one should positively validate their target before they negatively validate them. the reason to do it in this way is because one must hook their target in order to get their attention. so after the positive validation (for a set who is +7.5) you negatively validate them (tease, push) in order to put yourself at a higher level than them because at the beginning they are higher than you. the main reason why it is good to use negging is to challenge the ego of a girl of high calibre which is something that a typical afc does not do. and by doing this, it shows that u r a man that has high standards and does not go for just any girl and this will make the girl more interested and it will compel her to work harder to gain your approval because you have showed disinterest in her, told her that she does not fit your standards (negative validation). girls always want the guys that is surrounded by women and guys which are difficult to get, its a challenge for women to go after those guys. by alternating between +ve and -ve validation, this rapidly increases attraction.

building rapport is a very interesting process. in order to build a great emotional connection one must choose to talk about things which have deep emotional content. it does not matter what the girl does or likes, you can connect with her even if you have dissimilar interests. as you know all occupations and hobbies are completely different in their complexity, principles and structure, but there is one thing which all of them have in common/share "EMOTIONS". one must be empathetic and show a girl that u understand why she chose to do that job or hobbie by expressing the emotions that one feels when doing that activity, it shows that you're really trying to get to know her, and she will think "wow this is a great guy to talk to, he's making an effort to understand me, but wait, i dont know anything about him" and this will compel her to ask you questions and u can freely express yourself how ever much u want as long as u express urself passionately and positively. all the men dont do this at all and do not understand how much empathy is a powerful force and openly allow themselves to be perceived to see a girl superficially. you can use the concept of 'rapport' to ur advantage as well.

in order for you to build greater rapport with her, get used to asking more open-ended questions e.g. "what have you been up to?" or "What did u get up to today?", my one: "What monkey business did u get up to today?". dont use questions like "wats up hun?", thats a closed-ended question which the girl would simply answer and she wont give u much material to work on in order to reach the hook point.

and connect on her answers in a positive way. dont be afraid to tease her as well. dont be afraid to create impact. when telling a girl about a situation that happened to u on that day or in the week, give more details about it, women love details. it is also good to read the local news paper, women are usually very aware what happens in the world, u should as well. u can get her point of view on something in the news (nothing to do with which celebrity had sex with who) e.g. political, environmental, sociological etc and then she would ask you what u think and you can manipulate the conversation which can lead anywhere u want.

another way u can have an "endless conversation" is the principle of "Question, statement, Question, statement, Q, S, Q, S etc". so u ask an open question, receive the answer, and then make a statement about the last thing she said in order to ask a deeper question. this process can go round in a circle, it can go on for ages.

after you have the girl attracted to you and built rapport, here's how to make sure that you can get a definite number close and afterwards ensure a date in the future.

the way to ask a girl out is by 'offering' not asking permission, never ask "Do you want to go out tonight?" or "will you go out with me?" or "so what time are you free tomorrow?". They are all questions which AFCs do. they make a guy sound needy, desperate, dependent on doing something with her.

so before offering a date, let her know how busy and sociable you are. girls want guys who are difficult to get. usually in rapport with girls, to make sure she does not flake on u after the first meeting, there's a pua principle called 'seeding'. this is when u in plant an invitation in the conversation with her but u havent actually invited her. for example, you could say that "im thinking of going to this really cool bar sometime next week which i heard about". now usually when a guy mentions to a girl about going to a bar, club or party that u know, the girl will always expects the guy to automatically invite her. but what you would do is just to mention the party or the bar and continue on the conversation. this will catch the girl off guard and the girl will be thinking "hey, this guy is pretty cool (depending on the attraction and rapport), but he has just mentioned this party but why is he not asking me out?". she will think this and will be more compelled and desperate for you to ask her and she realises that she needs to work in order to get the invitation and so more likely to give you her number. women want to go to things that are hard to get into, exclusive and even more if they are told they cant go. people always want to go to things when they have been told they cant go. sounds so forbiden and interesting.

number close: dont say to her "Can i get your number?", be more commanding and say casually "Hey, i really need to get going, was cool meeting you, we should meet up sometime, whats your number?". this way sounds more positive, confident and you're assuming that there is going to be contact. depending on the rapport and the content of the conversation, to prevent her from not texting/calling you back, tell her you're place her in your phone under a nickname, usually when i tell girl when she's gets my number to put me on their phone as "Mickey Mouse" lol, this creates better impact.

dont be in the position to be waiting for a girl to call you, women are lazy or busy but definitely unreliable. you make the contact. but when u contact, dont sound like you are too eager to see her, bad sign to show that ur desperate. in between calling/texting a girl when continuing building attraction and rapport, act like u dont care if she ever replies back. i know it sounds crazy, but it does not feel good waiting, checking ur phone every so often seeing if the girl replies. have the frame of mind that u dont care about a reply, then u will feel less anxious, and more focused on ur game.

Hope that i have helped. happy gaming dude ;-)


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The post above is great!


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Agreed. Thnx, this has totally changed the way I look at approaching women in general. I have been doing things all wrong; applying push and pull on girls with low self esteem, and not being able to connect, etc. This post has really cleared things up, thnx again mickey.


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well the biggest mistake that you made is that you showed disinterest right from the start which is what a pua does not do. the guy always has to show a certain level of interest but not too interested. think your friend should have helped you more in the sense that if your girl was talking to someone else at the time, he could open the two girls, initiate an accomplishment introduction (meaning that your boy makes you look good infront of your girl), then he introduces you into the set, make formal introductions and then your friend distracts the other girl so that you can work on your girl.

here are some notes about building attraction, rapport and what to do after getting a girl's number.

Opening: women like men who are observant and situational. notice things about ur target and the environment, what she is wearing (clothes, jewelry etc), whats happening around you two. so if u notice something about her (do not comment on how beautiful she is) tell her about it e.g. u notice her bracelet, when talking to her, take hold of her wrist gently and say "wow this is an interesting bracelet, whats the story behind it?", there's always a background story behind women's accessories. be situational about the environment you are in, whats happening, what do you see, make a statement about it or ask her opinion on it. being situational is much better than scripted material.

attraction: one thing you should know is when to tease (push pull technique, negging etc). they should only be used if ur target is a 7.5 or above (or the girls who think they are 7.5 or above whereas in actual fact they are not). if you were to tease a girl below that rating, you would end of hurting and insulting them. in exclaimer for using negging and teasing is that one should positively validate their target before they negatively validate them. the reason to do it in this way is because one must hook their target in order to get their attention. so after the positive validation (for a set who is +7.5) you negatively validate them (tease, push) in order to put yourself at a higher level than them because at the beginning they are higher than you. the main reason why it is good to use negging is to challenge the ego of a girl of high calibre which is something that a typical afc does not do. and by doing this, it shows that u r a man that has high standards and does not go for just any girl and this will make the girl more interested and it will compel her to work harder to gain your approval because you have showed disinterest in her, told her that she does not fit your standards (negative validation). girls always want the guys that is surrounded by women and guys which are difficult to get, its a challenge for women to go after those guys. by alternating between +ve and -ve validation, this rapidly increases attraction.

building rapport is a very interesting process. in order to build a great emotional connection one must choose to talk about things which have deep emotional content. it does not matter what the girl does or likes, you can connect with her even if you have dissimilar interests. as you know all occupations and hobbies are completely different in their complexity, principles and structure, but there is one thing which all of them have in common/share "EMOTIONS". one must be empathetic and show a girl that u understand why she chose to do that job or hobbie by expressing the emotions that one feels when doing that activity, it shows that you're really trying to get to know her, and she will think "wow this is a great guy to talk to, he's making an effort to understand me, but wait, i dont know anything about him" and this will compel her to ask you questions and u can freely express yourself how ever much u want as long as u express urself passionately and positively. all the men dont do this at all and do not understand how much empathy is a powerful force and openly allow themselves to be perceived to see a girl superficially. you can use the concept of 'rapport' to ur advantage as well.

in order for you to build greater rapport with her, get used to asking more open-ended questions e.g. "what have you been up to?" or "What did u get up to today?", my one: "What monkey business did u get up to today?". dont use questions like "wats up hun?", thats a closed-ended question which the girl would simply answer and she wont give u much material to work on in order to reach the hook point.

and connect on her answers in a positive way. dont be afraid to tease her as well. dont be afraid to create impact. when telling a girl about a situation that happened to u on that day or in the week, give more details about it, women love details. it is also good to read the local news paper, women are usually very aware what happens in the world, u should as well. u can get her point of view on something in the news (nothing to do with which celebrity had sex with who) e.g. political, environmental, sociological etc and then she would ask you what u think and you can manipulate the conversation which can lead anywhere u want.

another way u can have an "endless conversation" is the principle of "Question, statement, Question, statement, Q, S, Q, S etc". so u ask an open question, receive the answer, and then make a statement about the last thing she said in order to ask a deeper question. this process can go round in a circle, it can go on for ages.

after you have the girl attracted to you and built rapport, here's how to make sure that you can get a definite number close and afterwards ensure a date in the future.

the way to ask a girl out is by 'offering' not asking permission, never ask "Do you want to go out tonight?" or "will you go out with me?" or "so what time are you free tomorrow?". They are all questions which AFCs do. they make a guy sound needy, desperate, dependent on doing something with her.

so before offering a date, let her know how busy and sociable you are. girls want guys who are difficult to get. usually in rapport with girls, to make sure she does not flake on u after the first meeting, there's a pua principle called 'seeding'. this is when u in plant an invitation in the conversation with her but u havent actually invited her. for example, you could say that "im thinking of going to this really cool bar sometime next week which i heard about". now usually when a guy mentions to a girl about going to a bar, club or party that u know, the girl will always expects the guy to automatically invite her. but what you would do is just to mention the party or the bar and continue on the conversation. this will catch the girl off guard and the girl will be thinking "hey, this guy is pretty cool (depending on the attraction and rapport), but he has just mentioned this party but why is he not asking me out?". she will think this and will be more compelled and desperate for you to ask her and she realises that she needs to work in order to get the invitation and so more likely to give you her number. women want to go to things that are hard to get into, exclusive and even more if they are told they cant go. people always want to go to things when they have been told they cant go. sounds so forbiden and interesting.

number close: dont say to her "Can i get your number?", be more commanding and say casually "Hey, i really need to get going, was cool meeting you, we should meet up sometime, whats your number?". this way sounds more positive, confident and you're assuming that there is going to be contact. depending on the rapport and the content of the conversation, to prevent her from not texting/calling you back, tell her you're place her in your phone under a nickname, usually when i tell girl when she's gets my number to put me on their phone as "Mickey Mouse" lol, this creates better impact.

dont be in the position to be waiting for a girl to call you, women are lazy or busy but definitely unreliable. you make the contact. but when u contact, dont sound like you are too eager to see her, bad sign to show that ur desperate. in between calling/texting a girl when continuing building attraction and rapport, act like u dont care if she ever replies back. i know it sounds crazy, but it does not feel good waiting, checking ur phone every so often seeing if the girl replies. have the frame of mind that u dont care about a reply, then u will feel less anxious, and more focused on ur game.

Hope that i have helped. happy gaming dude ;-)
Wow great stuff man, n when your talking about building an emotional connection with her; Ask a question and when you recieve the answer, ask urself these questions, what type of person would do this? how are the feeling? Why whould they do it? and sure enough u'll know wht to say to seem like your trying to understand her


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 18, 2011 10:16 am 
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hey guys. thanks so much for your feedback. glad to hear that i have helped get things into prospective and inspired you to go out now and find some lovely ladies. but more importantly you have all inspired me.

open to any questions you have about different situations, writing messages etc.

Happy gaming dudes ;-)


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