Hi everyone,

How are you tonight? I have a question for those experienced with club/house party game:
How have you found is the best way to deal with threatened or impending violence from jealous and territorial AMOGs/AFCs? It happens to me kind of a lot that when I'm opening HBs at house parties (despite making friends with the men) guys give me aggression or threaten me verbally. Where do you even begin to deal with that?
Thanks everyone.

I'd just try and be more aggressive than them...but of course I'm not a PUA so I wouldn't think that's the smart thing to do. I'd say the PUA thing to do is to try and use your words to make them look like immature punks depending on what it is they say because I can't really think of any specifics at the moment.

All I know is if you have any doubt that you couldn't take them in a fight, dont' antagonize them too much and just bail out before things get too messy.

You trying to get your ass beat, face cut, ribs broken, kicked in the head multiple times by multiple people, knifed, or shot? You trying to end up in court paying legal defense fees for "Bruce Leeing" their asses? This stuff isn't a joke. People get killed for stupid shit all the time. You'll think you're real sharp with your clever words and PUA game... until that little runt you didn't think much of, pulls out a glock and points it at you.

I'm saying this as someone who is perfectly capable of defending himself. I know how to fight so that I can make choices about whether to fight or not. My pride isn't on the line, I don't "have to" fight. At a minimum, fighting is a complete waste of my time. If you really feel differently about that, then join the Marines. Then you can go out to bars and deliberately get into fights; it will be seen as camaraderie.

Aggression like that is very simple to deal with. Don't be there. There are places in this world that you don't need to be at. Go somewhere else where it doesn't happen.

I don't really know the extent of Seatowns aggression that he has been faced with so I just kind of assumed it was the average tough guy act which can usually be played down.

I prefer to avoid conflict if at all possible myself because I know how stupid people can really be in situations like this, but I don't think there's anything wrong with using someones rough and tough attitude against them.

I find that when one guy tries to act "alpha" that he can be disarmed and or negged just like a bitchy woman can be-just make a comment on their ridiculous behavior to someone that is already receptive to you in the group and more often than not you will usually have everyone else in the set agreeing with you and laughing with you (if they're not laughing with you then you probably weren't amiable enough in your disarming neg to the "alpha" male) and the average person won't let things escalate and on top of it all you just won over some strangers affinity while disarming a "tough" guy.

All of this stuff is supposed to be for fun and developing ones social skills and the previous paragraph is marginally influenced by past experiences and normal human behavior in groups and the assumption that the group you're working on has some social history stretching beyond just meeting at that same venue earlier that night.

I was just trying to find positive ways to help Seatowns deal with this aggression he's being blocked with but I didn't have much to go on. If it's worse than I imagine, then you are definitely better off just avoiding those types of places. House parties can attract some of the craziest people at times.

But before you give up entirely I think maybe you should try analyzing the way you carry yourself because I know it's a problem I have but there could be a lot of little things that you're doing with your body and speech that could be making you seem like you're worth being friendly with but not worth the attention of any females.

I think we have different filters for what "threat of violence" means. I take it to mean someone is real close to trying to put his fist through your teeth, and has a set that wants to back him up. My point is, you don't want to be around people like that, and you don't need to be in places where people like that are common. Some places have more "frat boy meatheads," and some places have more gun battles. Go somewhere civilized. A private party could be particularly bad because they probably think it's "their turf" and "you're a crasher." Unlike a bar or club there are no bouncers or cops nearby to keep order.

I've also learned not to put up with a guy who "keeps giving you shit" just for the sake of fitting in. There weren't any ladies involved, I was just trying to make friends with some guys camping next to me in the woods. One guy just kept wanting to sweat me, he wouldn't let things go. Kept talking down to me and trying to make me nervous. I was really nice and polite for awhile, trying to deflect, trying to give hints to let it pass, but he wanted to keep digging because that's the kind of obnoxious man he was. Kept on saying shit like "new guys always get their ass beat, just kidding... but new guys always get their ass beat."

Finally got tired of his shit and invited him to actually try the wrestling stuff he'd alluded to earlier. I said, "You ever much studied how to make people fall down?" "Wha?" "I said, you ever much studied how to make people fall down." Total change of demeanor from me. I supplicate when I think it helps my situation. I display aggression when I think it helps my situation. I lie or tell the bold naked truth, whatever works. I've gotten out of many situations by having the right sense about whether to placate or bare fangs. Mind you also, I did not care that there were six of them, one of me. That should tell you something about what I think I may be able to do. Haven't had to do it, but group fighting is what I've been trained for.

Wasn't gonna hurt him, but this drunken ass fool could hardly stand up and I thought it might be good for him to see that some people aren't polite to him out of weakness. It did not come to that, his buddies intervened, and we had a frank talk about how I felt about what he'd been saying. Said to him, some people don't like it when you placate them. Sometimes they really wanna be stood up to. He was somewhat apologetic but it was also stated by his backup that I should leave. Think that 1 buddy of his wanted a piece of me, to "defend his friend," but really he had no right as his friend was the dick. I think 2 other guys recognized that and didn't see the point in trouble, as I hadn't been a dick to anybody. I went back to my tent and puked up all that free beer they'd given me all night. That beer surely affected my judgment and willingness to be aggressive. Won't ever drink to fit in again either. It's gonna be awhile before I ever touch Budweiser, and I didn't like it to begin with. I did make something of a "no hard feelings" show in that group the next morning, but I really didn't directly talk to that guy, nor did I care to. He wasn't anything like the same dick he was when he was ripping drunk, but who wants to bring it all up again to test it?

People like this are a big waste of time. At a bare minimum, they consume a certain amount of your emotional energy, making you feel angry and fucked up about stuff for at least an evening and possibly into the next day. I don't think some jackass is worth 12 hours of my emotional time.
Hmm reading my story and reading your comment again, I suppose I'll try that if for any reason I run into "drunken guys in the woods" again. I can definitely say, an abusive person takes placation for weakness, an invitation to abuse you more. Heh, you know what, I was AFC about making friends!

Thanks for the responses guys.

I'm posting from a standpoint of having been violently ambushed by a group before while opening girls because I am an alpha in addition to using PU, which makes some AFCs (especially drunk ones) really mad. If anyone knows how to defuse AMOG anger without losing a set/leaving, please post. We should study how we men think and feel in the way we study how women think, because being generally good to your fellow man is so important in PU.

bvanevery: I like your bravery but please never, ever enter a fight with more than one person unless you have military training or some kind of black belt. The odds of coming out on top decrease exponentially with the more bad guys there are- believe me, I know.

When you say violently do you mean like you're going to get your jaw slid around to the back of your head or is it just a bunch of meatheads picking on ONE guy thinking they're the most indestructible force in the world?

And the difference between the two is quiet clear when you're faced with the people, but if you're having mixed feelings about it to the point that you need to ask an internet forum for advice then maybe that's your subconsciousness telling you that you should stop while you're still uninjured...just to be safe...because people are dumb enough when there's no alcohol or women involved so both of them together can be a recipe for disaster.

Just out of curiosity bvan, what sort of fight training have you had? (genuinely interested and not trying to call you out on "lol u cant rlly fight lol")

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I imagine a real pick up artist isn't the most alpha male person to begin with, my opinion is to game the guy and make him either realise he's being a dick, or make the woman turn against him, therefore using charm to your advantage.
PUA is a lover, not a fighter.

O.K.

To start with the advice you have been given is TOTAL BULLSHIT.

A. If you are the Amog. Nobody fucks with the top dog.
You can do what you like. The end.
B. If you are in the IN CROWD, stay in it and only mix with your male friends. Get your male friends to be the POWER FUN GUYS in the place. Leave the HB 9/10 alone. I mean it. If she shows enough interest you could end up in a lot of problems as these bitches always have Ex amog boyfriends. Fact
Just a single comment to her.
Show huge fucking value. Hit on her during the day, within a day. Get it.
I hate to break it to you but it is really fucking simple.

If you are cool,popular and a great guy, the AMOB guys are out to get you. Fact
This will never really go away.

ALPHA MALE OTHER BUM

C. Your a regular guy, I would'nt worry even 1% about the outcome of the night.
Focus on good conversation WITH NICE PEOPLE don't even think about trying to be Mr fucking wonderful.
Otherwise enter amob guys.

D. your the geek.
Sometimes the best position to be in.
Outcome independant here we go.
Same as C but get real when it comes to what you want out of the night.

Try and figure out early who is going to get drunk and who is going to cause problems.
I would target the girl who shows the most interest.

O.k. i know you want advice about what to do if you start talking to the highest value girls and notice the AMOB guys are watching out of the corner of your eye.
Guys have a ( If i can't have her, you can't have her attitude) so saying that there is not much you can do is there.
If you are good, open everybody in the place.
It is a social event........So be social.

The key to a party of house party is always the same.
Act quickly.
Because in 2 hours the mood changes a lot as time goes on.
I don't know why i keep saying this as nobody fucking listens.

You can not reason with a drunken idiot who wants to fight you.
These guys remember WANT AGGRO.
AMOB lives to smash the face in of the cool,decent well dressed great guy who is everthing that they are not.
And what is really annoying is nobody wins when it comes to impressing the girls.
Dealing with these C..TS is like dealing with BOMBS one goes off every now and again. Most are Fags just giving it the biggun.

This is how i see it.

1. I always call out any f..ing guy who trys it on. It does not happen much.
That way i am relaxed because i know where i stand.
You can choose to change the interaction to verbal after the initial insult etc or what ever it is.
This way....... hard man thinks HOLD ON A MINUTE this guy might be as tough as me.
He is more likely to THINK ......... and possibly back down.
Any guy with no fear is scary.

That is the only person who bothers the king of the jungle.


And remember this.

If you know who the hardest guy in the place is.
Go up to him and say.
If your the hardest and top bloke, why don't you deal with those drunken cunts that are pissing everybody off.
Offer to help him take em on.See what his reaction is etc.
You might get some usefull info.
Call him out on his title.
He might be all bullshit,reputation and no balls.
(He is more likely to stand up for geeky guys) if this is you remember this.
And if he does'nt after you asked him for help, after a pasting from the amob guys.
Call him on it at the school canteen or venue in front of everyone.
Why did'nt you stand up for me. wHEN I OFFERED TO FIGHT THEM ALL WITH YOUR HELP.
He would never live it down.

As you have found out getting a kicking from multiple guys.
Mob rule wins.

Finally

Taking on a group of loosers/drug addict, unemployed going nowhere types is dangerous and a waste of time as they have nothing to loose and you everything.
Whats more you end up acting just like them.

Remember that 10 years from now when you have married that HB 9.

Be Patient.

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There are no belts in Russian style fighting, only skills. Google around for "Systema" if you are interested. My instructor specialized in multiple opponent fighting. I am not him, and I don't take needless chances. But I cannot be intimidated by "just any" 4 unarmed men. Yeah I said 6 but I think 1 left earlier because he was sick, and 1 was so drunk that he was like Jabba the Hut, just blubbering there strangely. Also, frankly, there is no fight in the real world with "only 1 person." You aren't prepared for being assaulted by multiple unseen opponents, you can die.

Could they have become armed? Yeah, sure, but, so could I. I don't think any of those guys was looking to bury bodies in the woods. That man, I met later in my camping trip. He pointed a glock at my dog. I talked my way through it. I am proud of having displayed complete mastery of every diplomatic skill martial arts has taught me... and I never want to meet a man like that again. It remains to be seen whether my next marital skill will be the gun, or whether I'll go make a lot of money and take expensive vacations on private beaches where crazy survivalists never venture. I'll tell you one thing, I'm done with the National Forests around Asheville, NC. Too many driveways, which means not enough trees for the happy campers, crazy crackers, and meth labs. Maybe out West where there's more space it'll be less of a problem.
I dunno, we seem to halfway agree on the "fighting is a waste of time" idea. You are much better versed in alpha male monkey dynamics at house parties than I am. I was never cool like that, didn't spend my time in those places. You seem to be willing to "swim in" that environment, despite the risks. I'm more thinking about that little runt with the glock who loses patience with you and kills you. I know that sort of thing does happen because I've met people who survived it. Maybe it happens outside of certain clubs more often than at house parties, but I don't see why it can't happen. "Wrong house party." Oh shit, you're dead.

Maybe the common denominator between us is you feel you know how to assess your environment, just like I knew how to assess those guys out in the woods. Being able to assess, and respond with displays of either weakness or strength as needed, has gotten me out of a number of scrapes.

I also just cued into your use of the word "bloke." You're not in a country where anyone can have a handgun and be legally carrying it concealed. I don't know how common illegal handguns are in the UK, but anyone can be packing on the other side of the pond. Even so, I'm sure you guys have plenty of knives. At least a knife is personal and takes some balls to use. A gun doesn't. Someone gets irritated, pulls a trigger, and you're dead.